Cont: The Sinking of MS Estonia: Case Re-opened Part IV

[JayUtah]

He has the credentials to be considered an expert in his field.

You carefully avoided answering my question.

Do you believe Hoffmeister got the right answer regarding the failure sequence? Do you believe JAIC got the failure sequence wrong?

 

[Andy_Ross]

He has the credentials to be considered an expert in his field.

The JAIC's findings are purely hypothetical anyway, as their appointed engineer, threw the lock back into the sea, so it did not get examined.

We went through this in detail, the bolt was examined and shown to be undamaged.
Damaged parts of the lock were retrieved.

 

[Vixen]

Where does it say that the bottom lock is an afterthought just put on to reassure people?

That bit you can find on general knowledge google.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

You rescue them and ask their name. As there is a high probability they will all be together (just as Linde, Sillaste, Treu and Kadak were all together) it is not the difficult job you imagine it to be.

How many "posh" lifeboats were there? What is the probability that all the officers and only the officers would be in one? What is the probability that's the first one you find? What's the probability someone else finds it before you?

Why does if matter who finds them?

 

[Vixen]

Where does it say the 'Atlantic lock' was added as an accessory lock to make people feel safer when sailing?

Look up the etymology of 'Atlantic lock'.

 

[LondonJohn]

Not at all. I know this for a fact.

It is common knowledge, actually.

You know for a fact that they are allowed to kill people? How do you know that? Please share your evidence with us.

 

[Andy_Ross]

If you were Stockholm's Police Chief, you would be aching to interview the ship's officers.

Stop feigning naivete.

But why would it need a secret ninja mission to do it?

Why would the Police Chief be 'aching' to interview the ships officers?

It wasn't a Swedish ship and didn't sink in Swedish waters and the captain wasn't Swedish.

 

[Vixen]

Ok, so let's say they undertake this mission and they pull someone out of the water. They ask for name and DOB and the guy responds "John Smith, 4th June 1977" which is not who they are looking for. What do they do then?

Simply deliver him to Utö, as ordered by the On Scene Commander.

 

[Andy_Ross]

They are members of the armed forces who are guarding their country.

The ones from Berga are navy guys.

But they were acting as a SR helicopter, they weren't 'guarding' anything.

In their normal duties they were an Anti Submarine crew, not border guards.

 

[JayUtah]

That bit you can find on general knowledge google.

Give us some of the links you found by Googling.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

He has the credentials to be considered an expert in his field.



The JAIC's findings are purely hypothetical anyway, as their appointed engineer, threw the lock back into the sea, so it did not get examined.

He's not the only expert in the world. His information about the Atlantic lock bolt is no less "hypothetical" than the JAIC's. Your claim that it did not get examined is a lie.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Their names did appear on early survivors lists.

Then when the lists were checked and all the survivors accounted for they were removed as they weren't recued.

 

[Mojo]

That bit you can find on general knowledge google.

Apparently you can’t, otherwise you could just link to it.

 

[Vixen]

Then those that aren't officers you throw back in the water?

What if they lie?

That is why you ask for date of birth to verify it.

 

[JayUtah]

Look up the etymology of 'Atlantic lock'.

Why would I have to do that if Dr. Hoffmeister is the authority for that claim? Does Hoffmeister claim the Atlantic lock was superfluous? Or is this something you're claiming and trying to attribute to him?

 

[Andy_Ross]

That bit you can find on general knowledge google.

No, it's your claim, I want yo to show me.

Or is it something you just made up?

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Simply deliver him to Utö, as ordered by the On Scene Commander.

Well that makes more sense than what I expected, so well done.

Now, would you care to answer my other questions please?

 

[Andy_Ross]

Look up the etymology of 'Atlantic lock'.

No, you show me, you are making the claim.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Simply deliver him to Utö, as ordered by the On Scene Commander.

But you claim the secret flight just rescued and returned the officers.

Are you changing your story now?

 

[Jack by the hedge]

If you were Stockholm's Police Chief, you would be aching to interview the ship's officers.



Stop feigning naivete.

Does Stockholm's police chief routinely disappear everyone wanted for questioning?

No? Why not? I'm sure breaking the law is okay if it's in the course of your duty. Isn't it?