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Cont: The Sinking of MS Estonia: Case Re-opened Part IV

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Vixen said:
If the ship was rocked by explosions at Swedish midnight, half way through her journey and as the watch was changing, one gets the sense the baddies already knew the ship would then try to send a Mayday and dealt with this matter by disabling the EPIRB's in advance and arranging interference with the radio signals during the expected time of sinking.
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LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Do you really, seriously, believe that any/all of this codswallop truly took place, Vixen?
 
Jack by the hedge said:
The loony-tunes version is as soon as it was heard that the Estonia issued a Mayday, Bildt knew Russian saboteurs had sunk it, that its officers had to be kidnapped and disappeared and that if the world discovered the Russians had done this it would reveal things so embarrassing to Bildt that he'd have to resign the job he was going to leave in a few days anyway.
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It was made clear to Bildt that there had been a dreadful blunder.

So obvious.
 
Vixen said:
I didn't say Bildt 'knew it was the Russians'. I don't know what he knew. However, he certainly knew the cause of the accident. That is why the JAIC was just a show.
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So he knew the ship had been blown up or torpedoed but didn't know who did it?

The fact that Dr_Ing Hans-Werner Hoffmeister of Hamburg University showed that their calculations on the bow visor were incorrect and that he obtained different results, was just ignored, proves the JAIC report was just a glossy brochure for people to put on their coffee tables.
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Hoffmeister didn't show the calculations were incorrect, this was gone through in great detail earlier in the thread.
He came to the same conclusion, the bow visor locking systems failed. He just differed in detail.
 
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Vixen said:
If the ship was rocked by explosions at Swedish midnight, half way through her journey and as the watch was changing, one gets the sense the baddies already knew the ship would then try to send a Mayday and dealt with this matter by disabling the EPIRB's in advance and arranging interference with the radio signals during the expected time of sinking.
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That's your spetsnaz/speznats or however you prefer. I'm talking about Bildt's henchmen. How did they instantly know what was going on and launch Mission Impossible?
 
JesseCuster said:
The Chinese government covered up an atrocity that they were responsible for in order to not make themselves look bad for committing an atrocity involving the massacre of hundreds of civilians

But according to your hare-brained idea, the Swedes covered up an atrocity committed by Russia against Swedish civilians involving hundreds of innocent deaths, in order to hide the fact that they were smuggling Russian military electronics on the Estonia? Hardly any reward and a huge amount of risk.

What sense does it make?
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I don't know if it was, 'an atrocity committed by Russia'. However, I do know Sweden immediately covered it up.
 
Vixen said:
I don't know if it was, 'an atrocity committed by Russia'. However, I do know Sweden immediately covered it up.
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Let me try again.

The Chinese government covered up an atrocity that they were responsible for in order to not make themselves look bad for committing an atrocity involving the massacre of hundreds of civilians

But according to your hare-brained idea, the Swedes covered up an atrocity committed by someone against Swedish civilians involving hundreds of innocent deaths, in order to hide the fact that they were smuggling Russian military electronics on the Estonia? Hardly any reward and a huge amount of risk.

What sense does it make?
 
Jack by the hedge said:
They didn't actually survive at all. It was just hearsay.
PS evasion again noted. The question was how was Y64's mission impossible supposed to work?
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A ship sinks tonight in an area sea nearby you. You are a Coast Guard official. Who do you most want to speak to as a matter of urgency once the survivors are brough ashore?

Enter your 'agent Y64' to find that person and bring him to you.
 
Vixen said:
What happened to the senior crew of Estonia who were originally listed as 'survivors'?
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You don't understand this discussion concept at all, do you? When someone asks you a question the correct response is to provide an answer, not another question.
 
Vixen said:
A ship sinks tonight in an area sea nearby you. You are a Coast Guard official. Who do you most want to speak to as a matter of urgency once the survivors are brough ashore?

Enter your 'agent Y64' to find that person and bring him to you.
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And how does a rescue man as a part of a search and rescue crew on a helicopter in the middle of the sea in the middle of the night with hundreds of bodies and survivors in the water do that exactly? :confused:
 
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Vixen said:
I didn't say Bildt 'knew it was the Russians'. I don't know what he knew. However, he certainly knew the cause of the accident. That is why the JAIC was just a show.





The fact that Dr_Ing Hans-Werner Hoffmeister of Hamburg University showed that their calculations on the bow visor were incorrect and that he obtained different results, was just ignored, proves the JAIC report was just a glossy brochure for people to put on their coffee tables.
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Crap. You don't know what Bildt said, despite your trying to tell us every five minutes that you do. You definitely don't know that he knew the cause. You can't come up with a coherent explanation for your mission impossible fantasy and you have no idea what significance Hoffmeister's analysis has on the JAIC's sequence of events even if his version is correct which of course is just another thing you don't know.
 
Vixen said:
Axxman300 provided the answer. On considering why China covers up Tianenmen Square massacre he said: "It is covered up because it makes them look bad".
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Mojo said:
Can you link to the post that quotation was taken from?
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The thing is, Vixen, that I’ve just searched the forum for posts by Axxman300 that include the word “covered”. None of them includes your quotation.

I strongly suspect that you are lying again.
 
Vixen said:
I don't know if it was, 'an atrocity committed by Russia'. However, I do know Sweden immediately covered it up.
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But you claim the ship was sabotaged in one of several different ways plus in one version you have the command crew being assassinated by the Russians.

Are you now saying it wasn't Russia that did it?

I suppose you could revert back to your original claim that the ship was accidentally rammed by an escorting submarine.
 
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