Cont: The Sinking of MS Estonia: Case Re-opened Part IV

[Jack by the hedge]

There is absolutely no doubt at all that the bow visor was blamed on Day One.

The doubt is whether you can show that Bildt said so, as you claimed over and over and over.

 

[Vixen]

He tells us no such thing. He specifically tells us a switch is required to make it work. In your colossal ignorance, you've supposed he must be referring to a non-existent shipping safety switch.

Claim you.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

He was feted as the main hero by the Swedish papers.

Is that why they declared their hero was first on the scene?

 

[JayUtah]

Claim you.

No, claim you. You admit he refers to some switch. You claim it's a kind of safety switch. There is no such switch on the beacon. There is only the switch that manually activates it when it is meant to be used. We discussed this at extreme length including considerable research done by people who aren't you. Please are least pretend that there are other people in this thread.

 

[Reformed Offlian]

The Helsingin Sanomat had the Super Puma helicopter that saved 35 as heroes of the night. Why shouldn't the Swedes have Svensson and Moberg as their heroes?


At least Svensson got his medal.

Was it shaped like a squirrel? Because this post sure is. I take it from your frantic avoidance of the subject that you have no response to the point: the JAIC report did not underreport the number of people Svensson rescued.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Exactly, it should have capsized right over as soon as it was at a particular list. JAIC has it at 70° - 90° for a whole twenty minutes and assumes an intact hull.

Compare and contrast to Oceanos or even The Herald of Free Enterprise.

Why should it have capsized ‘right over’?
How far over is ‘right over’?

 

[Andy_Ross]

No. The official figure Helicopter Y64 saved is precisely: 1.

Swedish Navy helicopter Y 64 1

Check for yourself on the official Swedish government webpage:

https://sok.riksarkivet.se/estonia?infosida=helikopterinsatser

It rescued one survivor and then the winch failed leaving the rescue man in the water.
It had to return to base for repair.
Y 64 rescue man was picked up by a different helicopter and replaced that helicopters injured rescue ma.

You know this.

 

[Andy_Ross]

So why did Helicopter Y64 go to Huddinge hospital before departing for his 05:00 slot?

I'll tell you why, because he did drop off some people there from his 03:00 rescue and was on his return trip.

The hospitals in Turku and Hanko (for those with bone fractures) were already well-equipped with doctors and nurses.

What 03:00 rescue?

It picked up medical staff before starting its mission.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Nothing to do with luck. Unlike The Herald of Free Enterprise the Finnish/Swedish/German ferries all had the safety features the latter was lacking already.


Carl Bildt is not a marine expert.

No they didn’t have these features.
What is your evidence that they did?

What does Bildt have to do with it?

 

[Andy_Ross]

The water was obviously coming in through a breach in the hull. Just like the Wilhelm Gustloff or the Titanic. The first passengers to get out were those on Deck 1, together with the three engineers on Deck 0.

Which hole in the hull?
You mean the missing bow?

 

[Andy_Ross]

Y74 was Ollie Moberg

Swedish Navy helicopter Y 74 6

According to the JAIC Y74 did not even arrive until six-forty-two am.

JAIC

However, according to Flashes in the Night:




So we have Y64 and Y74 making what looks like their second trip as written up in the JAIC report, which has omitted their earlier rescues as that would be nine or ten survivors too many, so instead we have a vague and confusing hotch-potch of an account about people messing about with rafts and winches and the two heroes sharing just six survivors between them.

There were no earlier flights.
We have exact accounts.
You have been shown the sections of the report that details this.

Why do you lie?

 

[Andy_Ross]

It they were 'manually operated only' the JAIC would have said so. When it remains silent you know they are lying by omission.

When they were tested they worked perfectly as designed.

If they were were automatic and working perfectly they would have transmitted a distress and when found the batteries would have been dead.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Not malice, just a simple cover up. No doubt based on the principle of 'honourable deception' (as diplomacy is called).

You have no evidence for this.

Your own initial claim concerning the buoys included a model designation that is for a manual buoy.

Why do you insist on continuing this?

 

[Andy_Ross]

It shouldn't leave people 'to work it out'.

It doesn’t. It explicitly states that the buoys were off when they were recovered and when activated worked as they should.
When tested they transmitted for over 4 hours showing they had batteries with a full charge.

 

[Andy_Ross]

The JAIC-appointed expert, Asser Koivisto, marine communications expert tells you it was an automatically-activated buoy.

Strangely, the buoys and Koivisto's report have vanished from the archives.

Where does he tell us this?

What model does he say it is?

 

[Andy_Ross]

Vixen still apparently clings to the misguided and erroneous belief that the newspaper reports from the days after the disaster were/are accurate and reliable, and that therefore they can be used as trusted sources.

Because there needs to be a secret helicopter flight that took the Estonia’s officers off in secret so they could be ‘disappeared’

 

[Axxman300]

The engineers would have abandoned the engine room as soon as power went. Engines will only run until the ship lists past a point that trips their low oil warning and they shut down.

The guy is quoted as saying that when he saw how deep the water was he knew he had to get out of there, because the ship would sink "like a rock". But I'm sure there was a lot going on down there at that point.

 

[Axxman300]

When the Wilhelm Gustloff sank, it was not reported in the German press. Does that mean it is a conspiracy theory that it sank?

So do you really believe 'everything is transparent and never covered up?'

How come we never heard about all the Christmas parties at No. 10 last year, or is that also a conspiracy theory, by your own definition?

The fact you couldn't care less about a thing does not mean nobody else should, either.

Are you serious with this?

The press? The Press in Germany, in 1945? The Press in Nazi Germany in 1945 didn't report something?

You are really, really, really awful at this.

And what kind of person brings up obscure WWII mass killings at a Christmas party anyway?

 

[Axxman300]

Because there was a war on. Other ships sunk in the war were not reported lost by their home nation's press too, and not just the Germans.

This is a FACT.

U-Boat attacks of the US coast were rarely mentioned in the papers during WWII...Because it was WWII...

 

[Here_to_learn]

For some reason, this I can relate this Dilbert Strip with this thread.