Cont: Corona Virus Conspiracy Theories Part IV

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Tom Palven said:
The only source that I think I agree with completely is Kit Knightly, a former Guardian investigative reporter
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I note you have not even bothered to pause to acknowledge that the highlighted is a 100% false statement before posting a link to yet another utterly worthless source.
 
Pixel42 said:
I note you have not even bothered to pause to acknowledge that the highlighted is a 100% false statement before posting a link to yet another utterly worthless source.
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Here's another source that you might want to deem useless:

Is COVID becoming a pandemic of the vaccinated?
https://www.americanthinker.com/art...ow_becoming_a_pandemic_of_the_vaccinated.html

And here's Kit Knightly speaking for himself:
https://www.corbettreport.com/interview-1538-kit-knightly-on-off-guardians-corona-coverage/
 
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Tom Palven said:
And here's Kit Knightly speaking for himself:
https://www.corbettreport.com/interview-1538-kit-knightly-on-off-guardians-corona-coverage/
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Ah, the Corbett Report - A cesspool of conspiracy theory nuttery. I'm not wasting a half hour of my time watching that crap. Just tell us if that's where Knightly claimed to have been an investigative journalist for The Guardian.

Given your position that you're here to correct most members of this forum regarding the Truth®, it would be interesting if you uncritically accepted a lie, yes?

And if you are, yourself, the source of the lie - well then that would be interesting, too.
 
Even the airlines are in on it.
Dec 24 (Reuters) - United Airlines and Delta Air Lines (DAL.N)have canceled hundreds of Christmas Eve flights, as the spreading COVID-19 Omicron variant takes a toll on its flight crews and other workers.

Chicago-based United on Thursday canceled 120 flights for Friday, while Atlanta-based Delta said it had canceled about 90. Both said they were working to contact passengers so they would not be stranded at airports.

FlightAware on Friday said United has now canceled 169 flights on Christmas Eve and Delta has canceled 127, along with another 50 canceled flights for United on Christmas and 89 for Delta.

The flight tracking firm said the current number of Christmas Eve flights canceled globally is 2,029, with 448 canceled in the United States.

"The nationwide spike in Omicron cases this week has had a direct impact on our flight crews and the people who run our operation. As a result, we’ve unfortunately had to cancel some flights and are notifying impacted customers in advance of them coming to the airport," United said on Thursday.
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The real story is that the flight crew shortages were actually caused by multiple motorcycle accidents.
 
Anti-vaxxer presents opinions from vaccinated? What?

Tom Palven said:
Here's another source that you might want to deem useless:

Is COVID becoming a pandemic of the vaccinated?
https://www.americanthinker.com/art...ow_becoming_a_pandemic_of_the_vaccinated.html

And here's Kit Knightly speaking for himself:
https://www.corbettreport.com/interview-1538-kit-knightly-on-off-guardians-corona-coverage/
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Brian C. Joondeph, MD, is a vaccinated physician and writer who seems to hate Biden, just as Clownstick is warming up to Biden. Eye doctor specialist has opinions... and is vaccinated. What was your point?

If you like extreme far right BS, you won with americanthinker

If you like tin foil hat special BS, you won again with corbettreport (did you listen to all of it?)

If you like less facts more woo, you won with both
 
I had the experience of interacting with some 9/11 truth people in the bbc “comment is free” sections. Naming your conspiracy website after the fact that you’ve been banned as an internet commenter is certainly on brand for these idiots.

Tom Palvern - was Kit Knightley an investigative reporter for The Guardian? Did he have a Wikipedia page?
 
Cosmic Yak said:
Tom Palven, what is your position on vaccines? Are you vaccinated yourself?
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Yes, I had to be doubly vaccinated to travel to Mexico and the Balkans recently.


Vaccines have been extremely useful in the prevention of smallpox, polio, and other diseases.

Not so much with cold viruses, including coronaviruses.
 
I am happy to see that German Antifas protested against the right-wing antivaxxer rally yesterday.

Tausende auf verbotener Demonstration gegen Coronamaßnahmen in München.
Antifaschistischer Gegenprotest
Impfgegner überrennen Polizei (jungeWelt.de, Dec 24, 2021)
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Thousands participate in forbidden demonstration against corona measures in Munic.
Antifa counter protest
Anti-vaxxers overrun the police
 
Tom Palven said:
Vaccines have been extremely useful in the prevention of smallpox, polio, and other diseases.

Not so much with cold viruses, including coronaviruses.
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Based on the poor quality of your sources, I'm going to have to disbelieve you, unless your point is that all diseases aren't exactly the same. Even still, I'm sure smallpox and polio continued to look grim for some time even after vaccines were introduced. These weren't problems that were solved overnight.

The bottom line is that we have no idea what kind of success covid vaccines will have over the long term because we're still in the short term. But one thing for sure: politicized BS and other forms of health disinfo don't help matters one bit.
 
Tom Palven said:
Yes, I had to be doubly vaccinated to travel to Mexico and the Balkans recently.


Vaccines have been extremely useful in the prevention of smallpox, polio, and other diseases.

Not so much with cold viruses, including coronaviruses.
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Again, Tom, if COVID-19 is just a cold virus, then that means that the world's medical science community is either inferior to you in their knowledge of microbiology, or they're all part of a cortoonishly evil global conspiracy.

Both of those scenarios are laughably asinine.

We've watched you obstinately double down on being wrong about a number of things (or simply ignore the obvious implications of your claims), including, most recently, identifying a source as a former investigative for The Guardian when he clearly never was. So what in the world makes you think we're going to conclude that you are right and millions of doctors, nurses and biologists are wrong, especially when the only sources you seem able to produce are crackpots or worse?
 
Foster Zygote said:
Again, Tom, if COVID-19 is just a cold virus, then that means that the world's medical science community is either inferior to you in their knowledge of microbiology, or they're all part of a cortoonishly evil global conspiracy.

We've watched you obstinately double down on being wrong about a number of things (or simply ignore the obvious implications of your claims), including, most recently, identifying a source as a former investigative for The Guardian when he clearly never was.
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The Guardian published investigative reports from Kit Knightly until it banned him for being politically incorrect.

If that's not enough to call him an investigative reporter in your opinion, that's perfectly fine with me, and I won't argue the point.

Some people claim that Glenn Greenwald and Julian Assange are not investigative journalists, despite Greenwald winning a Pulitzer Prize for investigative journalism, among other qualifications.

I agree with Knightly, who has never claimed that there is global Covid conspiracy. I think that he is correct on his 30 points.

My own opinion, as I've said, is that Covid-19 is not a plague of Biblical proportions, but a perfect storm of circumstances and vested interests.
 
Tom Palven said:
The Guardian published investigative reports from Kit Knightly until it banned him for being politically incorrect.
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That's not true. Either Knightly made that up to boost his credibility, or someone else made it up. Either way you were duped - unless you are yourself the source of that lie.

If that's not enough to call him an investigative reporter in your opinion, that's perfectly fine with me, and I won't argue the point.
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Posting on a newspaper's publicly accessible forum does not make one an investigative reporter for that publication.

Some people claim that Glenn Greenwald and Julian Assange are not investigative journalists, despite Greenwald winning a Pulitzer Prize for investigative journalism, among other qualifications.
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They have **** all to do with Knightly's status as a "former investigative journalist for The Guardian".

I agree with Knightly, who has never claimed that there is global Covid conspiracy. I think that he is correct on his 30 points.
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You presented him as an authority without further investigation because he agreed with what you already believe. You've done that a number of times.

My own opinion, as I've said, is that Covid-19 is not a plague of Biblical proportions, but a perfect storm of circumstances and vested interests.
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"Plague of Biblical proportions" is a straw man that you've resorted to in order to dismiss the scientific consensus that COVID-19 is a genuine threat that has killed over 800,000 people in the U.S. alone. You pretend that the consensus is that the pandemic is akin to the bubonic plague of the 14th Century, or the fictional "superflu" from the novel The Stand. You do this so that you can dismiss them as wrong, even though they've never said anything of the sort. It's like when creationists pretend that biologists say that evolution means there shouldn't be any monkeys left, even though they never said anything remotely like that.

So where did you get that Knightly was an investigative reporter for The Guardian? Did you read it somewhere, or did you make it up yourself to make him seem more credible than the crackpot he is?
 
Tom Palven said:
My own opinion, as I've said, is that Covid-19 is not a plague of Biblical proportions, but a perfect storm of circumstances and vested interests.
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A strawman of your own invention. Covid-19 is a virus that has killed over 5 million worldwide, and has permanently injured multi-millions more. This is the objective reality despite the worst efforts of disinformationists.
 
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