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Cont: The Sinking of MS Estonia: Case Re-opened Part IV

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LondonJohn said:
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Do you really not understand the term "administrators" in this context? Really?

(Hint: "administrators" here means, very clearly, that these were back-office functionaries: HR, finance, facilities, etc. It means that they were not investigators. If they had been investigators, they would not have been referred to as "administrators")
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Vixen said:
Seriously? How incredibly ignorant. So according to you, doctors and nurses have a higher social status than a Hospital Administrator and the head of M15 is a mere 'back office' lackey compared to some aspiring spook on a need-to-know basis in a 'cell'. Thanks for the fascinating insight into how you perceive the world.
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(bolding mine)

Vixen, can you explain how you got the bolded part from LondonJohn's post? What you've claimed he said is entirely disconnected from what he actually said.

He said absolutely nothing about the social status of doctors and nurses. How is it even possible to interpret what he said in the way you did? :confused:

Your posts are becoming even more disconnected from reality than they already were. Are you ok?
 
Vixen said:
Nobody said they were doing anything 'clandestine'.
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You said that their mere presence on the ship was "grounds for suspicion of sabotage". How is that not suggesting they were doing something clandestine?

We do know, however that the KSI, CIA and MI6 were helping the Estonians to develop their own intelligence agency after having kicked out the KGB and GRU.

That is not to say that this particular group had any involvement in it. Nor is it to say they did not.
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What is it to say, then? Why did you bring it up?
 
JesseCuster said:
What the hell are you talking about?

Nobody said anything about uniforms.

The reason that people say that the police employees onboard the Estonia weren't police officers, it's because the facts are that they were civilian employees of the police, who were members of a civil service union going to a union conference.

Those are the facts. Deal with them.

They wren't elite police from an MI5-type internal security branch, as you admittedly guessed they possibly were. This is getting really laughable Vixen.
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And she guessed that based solely on the fact that they were from the capital. Because, obviously, any capital police force is "elite". Just look at DC police. [/s]
 
JayUtah said:
Which will undoubtedly return, when it is the distraction.
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I can't help thinking we haven't heard for a while about the "below-the-waterline" opening in the starboard hull, bolstered by tales of towels and swimming pools and minisubs and torpedoes and "it's the only way the ship could've sunk so quickly, not some stupid reason like the bow visor coming off after one large wave" types of embellishment.

Time for a re-run of some of the classics, Vixen! I hope you won't let us down. It is almost Christmas, after all :D
 
LondonJohn said:
I can't help thinking we haven't heard for a while about the "below-the-waterline" opening in the starboard hull, bolstered by tales of towels and swimming pools and minisubs and torpedoes and "it's the only way the ship could've sunk so quickly, not some stupid reason like the bow visor coming off after one large wave" types of embellishment.

Time for a re-run of some of the classics, Vixen! I hope you won't let us down. It is almost Christmas, after all :D
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From the first post in part one of the thread:

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...One day, a couple of investigative German journalists engaged a boat to approach the MS Estonia, they dived below the waves and took pictures. They discovered something staggering: there was a large hole at the side of the ship. This has led to speculation that the disaster was caused by a submarine crashing into it, or one of the lorries, which included Russian military equipment, said to be sneaking secret weapons out of Russia, was the cause, i.e., some kind of explosive...
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I had forgotten that the conspiracy nonsense was there right from the get-go.
 
junkshop said:
From the first post in part one of the thread:

I had forgotten that the conspiracy nonsense was there right from the get-go.
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And Bjorkman was there on page 2 of 102 of part 1, though not named as such.

I'd rather hear about radioactive waste burning holes through the ramp/visor, or shady blokes pushing contraband in a truck out of the front of a vast assembly that they had no way of opening manually, in a ship that was pitching like crazy in a storm.
 
GlennB said:
And Bjorkman was there on page 2 of 102 of part 1, though not named as such.
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Because it's the same conspiracy twaddle Björkman and others have been peddling now for decades. This happens with other conspiracy theories too. Someone like Evertsson resurrects this one, and it seems like it's been given new life. But it's really just like defibrillating a corpse: lots of impressive, hopeful flopping about for a bit, but ultimately nothing. That's because it was nothing to begin with. It becomes a "current event" for a while as people give it attention once again, but when something lacks substance from the get-go, you can't keep giving it a new coat of paint and expect any actual staying power.
 
Vixen said:
Guess what, guys? I am so excited. Whilst looking for a Christmas card for the neighbours, having run out of them, and going through old boxes of cards and postcards and sundry items, I came across my old fifth form Physics exercise book! And there, within its pages, was...'How Archimedes Principle can be verified'.
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Look, a squirrel!
 
Vixen said:
Guess what, guys? I am so excited. Whilst looking for a Christmas card for the neighbours, having run out of them, and going through old boxes of cards and postcards and sundry items, I came across my old fifth form Physics exercise book! And there, within its pages, was...'How Archimedes Principle can be verified'.
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That doesn't help anything you've said.

Still no elite police from internal security services on the Estonia. Your bizarre accusations about the social status of doctors and nurses or how others claimed the union members were cleaners or minnows or whatever are still just as egregious.
 
Vixen said:
Guess what, guys? I am so excited. Whilst looking for a Christmas card for the neighbours, having run out of them, and going through old boxes of cards and postcards and sundry items, I came across my old fifth form Physics exercise book! And there, within its pages, was...'How Archimedes Principle can be verified'.
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You were......."looking for a Christmas card for the neighbours" and chanced across one of your school exercise books from (presumably) many decades ago?

Yes, that sounds extremely likely :D :thumbsup:

(On the other hand, perhaps you should read that section on Archimedes' Principle (asterisks not your thing in those days, huh?) again, carefully. It looks like the 15/16yo you could teach the present-day you a fair bit about it....)
 
'Anearoid barometer'?? We didn't spell it that way in my O level physics classes.
 
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