Cont: Corona Virus Conspiracy Theories Part IV

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jimbob said:
Germany did well in the first wave but by 2021 it is not the case.
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That's what I said. Excess mortality is a real thing since the "vaccination" campaign started. Like in many other countries, tendency goes to that the higher "vaccination" rates, the higher the excess mortality is. Of course pure coincidence like everything.
 
When you can’t even complete a sentence without several scare quotes and random tangents about nonsense, you are really losing the thread.

This particular flavor of conspiracy where deaths aren’t real even though real people are dying is just sad. Kind of like solipsism.
 
Childlike Empress said:
That's what I said. Excess mortality is a real thing since the "vaccination" campaign started. Like in many other countries, tendency goes to that the higher "vaccination" rates, the higher the excess mortality is. Of course pure coincidence like everything.
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Really? I presume you're not going to pretend that was the case in the UK.

England and Wales (especially England) have some of the highest-quality data publicly-available in the world.

It was Covid.

Even in Russia it was Covid, it's just that Russia has a history of ineptly hiding their data.
 
Childlike Empress said:
That's what I said. Excess mortality is a real thing since the "vaccination" campaign started. Like in many other countries, tendency goes to that the higher "vaccination" rates, the higher the excess mortality is. Of course pure coincidence like everything.
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Your "opinion" is counterfactual and worthless.
 
jimbob said:
Really? I presume you're not going to pretend that was the case in the UK.

England and Wales (especially England) have some of the highest-quality data publicly-available in the world.

It was Covid.

Even in Russia it was Covid, it's just that Russia has a history of ineptly hiding their data.
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The UK? The birthplace of neoliberalisn, of privatisation of "health care"? Give me a break. I'm not even going to question or look up your "official data", I'll just point and laugh. Do something about it.
 
Childlike Empress said:
The UK? The birthplace of neoliberalisn, of privatisation of "health care"? Give me a break. I'm not even going to question or look up your "official data", I'll just point and laugh. Do something about it.
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These are my graphs of the data.

[IMGW=840]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FD5drg-XEAEGyA7?format=jpg&name=large[/IMGW]

This shows the recorded all-cause deaths in England and Wales in 2020. It also has the death certificate data for then.


Now you'd have to be a completely stupid conspiracy theorist to think that coroners offices throughout the country made up deaths or that the ONS invented deaths in order to make the government look bad. You'd need thousands of doctors to cooperate in a criminal enterprise for no benefit to themselves.

I do know that at least one antivaxer might have had an explanation for how lockdowns or vaccines caused these deaths before they started but I guess you'd think that was stupid too:

[IMGW=320]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E_wZR1UVgAIddL9?format=png&name=small[/IMGW]

So, ignoring time-travelling nanopatticles, you have Covid deaths being undercounted by about 2000 deaths per week for the 5 weeks of the first wave based on a simple eyeballing of the data (actuaries tend to estimate about 12000 in total, which is consistent)

There are plenty of non-nefarious explanations for this undercounting. A lack of testing and a lack of familiarity with the symptoms at the time are the most obvious.



ETA: Your rejection of the data makes no sense. This is not really the NHS but, hey, poison the well

We could look at other multiple other countries and see similar situations - however the UK does have some of the highest-quality data easily available
 
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Childlike Empress said:
That's what I said. Excess mortality is a real thing since the "vaccination" campaign started. Like in many other countries, tendency goes to that the higher "vaccination" rates, the higher the excess mortality is. Of course pure coincidence like everything.
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excess mortality was before and after vaccination started due to COVID

excess ignorance is valid wrt anti-vaxxers, not a coincidence
 
Doctors hate her! Woman beats covid with one weird trick (reddit.com)

How does one classify this level of cluelessness?

I think some people are so afraid of reality that they'll believe every stupid thing that gives them hope, and there are those who say that recommending reasonable precautions against covid infection is fearmongering.

I advocate zero tolerance toward covid disinfo and anti-vaxx BS.
 
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sackett said:
Gigantic eructations in Australian capital!
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me right now:

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