Ongoing Adventures of Kyle Rittenhouse

[carlitos]

Mr. Rittenhouse is no longer on trial and moving on to his next phase in life. Here we can discuss the social issues that surround these current events.

 

[carlitos]

For example

 

[Thermal]

That's the pic they used? He still has the world's most punchable face.

Wake me up when the Kyle Rittenhouse speed bag hits the market.

 

[Ziggurat]

That's the pic they used? He still has the world's most punchable face.

Wake me up when the Kyle Rittenhouse speed bag hits the market.

Truth. Dying and killing are nothing to cheer about. It's always a somber affair, even when it has to be done.

I guess physical violence that stops short of death is all fun and games.

 

[sackett]

Someday he'll be old enough to grow a beard. That might help.

Not much. And remember, I said "might."

 

[carlitos]

If he's palling around with TPUSA, I wonder if they are paying for him to get some media training, working on his stump speech, etc.

Turning Point USA needs the younger folks like Kyle. The co-founder, Bill Montgomery, died of Covid 19 last year, and Charlie Kirk is a 28-year-old Boomer who sounds like someone's angry old uncle.

 

[Thermal]

I guess physical violence that stops short of death is all fun and games.

What part of that don't you understand? Yours truly is a huge fan of busting a mother ****** in the chops, both recreationally and as a method of expounding on philosophical differences. But don't kill them. Everyone deserves the chance to reconsider their life choices, or at least to fight another day.

 

[Ziggurat]

What part of that don't you understand? Yours truly is a huge fan of busting a mother ****** in the chops, both recreationally and as a method of expounding on philosophical differences. But don't kill them. Everyone deserves the chance to reconsider their life choices, or at least to fight another day.

What I don't understand is why you think that, once violence starts, it's easy to keep it from escalating to the point where someone does get killed. Violence is very much a slippery slope.

 

[Thermal]

What I don't understand is why you think that, once violence starts, it's easy to keep it from escalating to the point where someone does get killed. Violence is very much a slippery slope.

Lifelong experience, and observation of others.

Note that I didn't advocate actually hitting Kyle. It's the knowledge I have that he is a coward that makes him a focal point for my distaste of cowards, hence a good speed bag image.

And yes, his utter cowardice is a matter of public record now. If you willingly insert yourself into any kind of a brawl with a high powered rifle, having no other possible means of getting out other than to shoot your way out, ya bitch ass is a sniveling coward.

 

[Ziggurat]

Lifelong experience, and observation of others.

Note that I didn't advocate actually hitting Kyle. It's the knowledge I have that he is a coward that makes him a focal point for my distaste of cowards, hence a good speed bag image.

And yes, his utter cowardice is a matter of public record now. If you willingly insert yourself into any kind of a brawl with a high powered rifle, having no other possible means of getting out other than to shoot your way out, ya bitch ass is a sniveling coward.

I'm not really interested in your opinions of what constitutes cowardice or bravery, it has no relevance to public policy and thus serves no purpose but to justify your emotional response. But the Rittenhouse case seems like it's a prime example of exactly what I'm talking about. You described the situation as a "brawl", suggesting the level of violence wouldn't turn lethal on its own.

And yet, it did turn lethal. Participants other than Kyle initiated violence, knowing full well that a gun was present and might be used. And sure enough, violence escalated to lethal levels. You want to blame the presence of the gun, but fatal violence can happen even in the absence of a gun. I blame the willingness to initiate violence. Fatal violence cannot occur if nobody initiates violence.

 

[sir drinks-a-lot]

Ongoing Adventures of Kyle Rittenhouse

I'm more interested in the Ongoing Adventures of Jussie Smollett.

 

[Thermal]

I'm not really interested in your opinions of what constitutes cowardice or bravery, it has no relevance to public policy and thus serves no purpose but to justify your emotional response.

Funny that you think my speed bag preferences are worthy of note, then. I wasn't aware that they impacted public policy. TIL.

But the Rittenhouse case seems like it's a prime example of exactly what I'm talking about. You described the situation as a "brawl", suggesting the level of violence wouldn't turn lethal on its own.

No, that's your imagination (although excepting Kyle, it didn't). They can turn lethal, of course, just like driving to the grocery store for milk can. But it not the reasonable intent or expectation.

And yet, it did turn lethal.

Thanks, Rittenhouse.

Participants other than Kyle initiated violence, knowing full well that a gun was present and might be used. And sure enough, violence escalated to lethal levels. You want to blame the presence of the gun, but fatal violence can happen even in the absence of a gun. I blame the willingness to initiate violence. Fatal violence cannot occur if nobody initiates violence.

You truly don't get how these two went hand-in-hand, do you?

Like you, I don't blame the presence of the gun. I blame the guy who brought it in as his sole means of negotiating his way through a riot. That is "the willingness to initiate violence" in a nutshell. He willingly initiated lethal violence at an unarmed man who had not touched him, and who he could effortlessly retreat from. Hell, Rosenbaum couldn't stay on his feet without stumbling.

A gun as a means of last resort is fine. As a first and only choice, not fine.

But tis the subject of another thread. This one is, I believe, you calling me out for hypocrisy or something?

 

[plague311]

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It's a picture and they can't even get his tie straight? Or a suit that fits? Or square his shoulders? I had some nice things to say about him recently, I take all of them back. I thought he wanted to let it go and not use the incident to garner a lot of fame. It looks like, as is common with the right wing, he's just another grifter making money from being a douche.

I'm more interested in the Ongoing Adventures of Jussie Smollett.

Then start a thread....Oh! Oh, you just wanted to throw in a whataboutism. That's on par with the quality level of any other post you make.

 

[Ziggurat]

But tis the subject of another thread. This one is, I believe, you calling me out for hypocrisy or something?

Not hypocrisy as such. You're drawing a distinction which I don't think is really justified, but it's not actually hypocritical.

 

[Dr. Keith]

I'm more interested in the Ongoing Adventures of Jussie Smollett.

I’m more interested in how the Winter Olympics are going to deal with Covid.

 

[Thermal]

Not hypocrisy as such. You're drawing a distinction which I don't think is really justified, but it's not actually hypocritical.

My distinction relies on mutual consent, including the implied consent of unnecessarily placing yourself in a riot.

Goofy as it sounds, it's the Fight Club philosophy (if I remember the plot correctly). Better to get violent impulses out in the conventional way, than to buy and train with firearms, fantasizing about the opportunity to take it to the nuclear option as first option. Living with a bloody nose is better than being on trial for shooting an unarmed man that you could easily trot away from, IMO.

 

[Ziggurat]

My distinction relies on mutual consent

There never was mutual consent, and none of the people involved ever thought there was. Nor would there be in a hypothetical case of someone punching Kyle's "punchable" face.

 

[Thermal]

There never was mutual consent, and none of the people involved ever thought there was.

What should be the expected outcome in willingly placing yourself, adversarially and alone, in a riot?

Nor would there be in a hypothetical case of someone punching Kyle's "punchable" face.

Noting that it is in fact "punchable" does not advocate physically doing so.

 

[Thermal]

I’m more interested in how the Winter Olympics are going to deal with Covid.

I worry occasionally about the livelihoods of hookers and porn stars too.

 

[Ziggurat]

What should be the expected outcome in willingly placing yourself, adversarially and alone, in a riot?

What should be the expected outcome of going to a bar late at night with a short skirt? That's consent right there.