There Really Was Some Voter Fraud!

ahhell said:
Re: Why republicans seem to engage in voter fraud more often....
....and the preponderance of evidence.
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Other than anecdote?
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I think these are a little more than 'anecdotes', since they involve actual legal cases, arrests, media reports, etc.

(i.e. its not someone claiming "I saw bigfoot in a polling station, and he voted for Biden!)

Now could it just be a case of us "noticing" it more when republicans do it (because of the hypocrisy of it)? Possible. But then, since republicans like to complain about voter fraud so much you would expect Stubby McBonespurs, Guilliani, and MyPillow guy to by hyping each and every case of fraud on behalf of the democrats. But we don't see it.
 
Ah yes the point where someone pretends that Republicans haven't already openly admitted they can't maintain power fairly without powergrabs and do the whole "Show me where someone said that" routine.

Everyone take a shot.
 
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Segnosaur said:
I think these are a little more than 'anecdotes', since they involve actual legal cases, arrests, media reports, etc.

(i.e. its not someone claiming "I saw bigfoot in a polling station, and he voted for Biden!)

Now could it just be a case of us "noticing" it more when republicans do it (because of the hypocrisy of it)? Possible. But then, since republicans like to complain about voter fraud so much you would expect Stubby McBonespurs, Guilliani, and MyPillow guy to by hyping each and every case of fraud on behalf of the democrats. But we don't see it.
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They are in fact anecdotes, a short amusing or interesting story about a real incident or person, Republican hypocrisy not withstanding.
 
*Shrug* Given the fact that the sort of voter fraud that Republicans are always going on about is so rare that anecdotes are really the only kind of evidence you will ever see for it (as opposed to what you'd expect to see for organized and large-scale efforts at fraud, which would leave more empirical evidence), the prevalence of Republicans doing it even only anecdotally is still evidence of how ridiculous their whole self-righteous charade about it is. They're CTists frothing at the mouth about a conspiracy they want to pass laws to prevent, but which only demonstrably exists in the scattered actions of their own followers.
 
Yeah basically all the Republicans can prove is that even when they attempt to turn into a self-fulfilling prophecy, you can't actually do the kind of large scale voter fraud they have convinced their cult members is common place.

It won't matter because facts don't exist anymore, but it's still funny.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Yeah basically all the Republicans can prove is that even when they attempt to turn into a self-fulfilling prophecy, you can't actually do the kind of large scale voter fraud they have convinced their cult members is common place.

It won't matter because facts don't exist anymore, but it's still funny.
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I'm not sure if that highlighted bit is an effect of the Trump years or what led to them, likely a little of both, but it really is just depressing as hell when our whole political system has become a reality show that has no reality beyond how well it does in the ratings with fevered fans.
 
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turingtest said:
I'm not sure if that highlighted bit is an effect of the Trump years or what led to them.
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The post-fact world has been a long time coming, people (like me) said it was coming and got called dramatic, and I'm still bitter about that and have zero intent of getting over it.

We stood by why the internet let woo, pseudoscience, and trolling perfect ways to destroy rational discourse while we jerked ourselves off about how good we were at ignoring it, and now it's escaped the lab and we don't have any weapons to fight it.
 
The real funny part is that some people believe that voter fraud is just the reported handful of cases out of 155 million ballots cast. And that it is predominantly only from the "other party", of course.

This is what passes for "critical thought", around here. Comically stupid.
 
ahhell said:
They are in fact anecdotes, a short amusing or interesting story about a real incident or person, Republican hypocrisy not withstanding.
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I think there is a non trivial correlation between those doing it and being republican, because the republican party has been using it as a thing to bring up fear and talk their supporters don't all realize it is just empty talk to justify racist policies and think it is something they can actually do.

Up next we dismiss the the incredible disparity in political violence and terrorism as just an anecdote. Because events are anecdotes and it never becomes real data and so you can't ever say anything about anything.
 
ponderingturtle said:
I think there is a non trivial correlation between those doing it and being republican, because the republican party has been using it as a thing to bring up fear and talk their supporters don't all realize it is just empty talk to justify racist policies and think it is something they can actually do.

Up next we dismiss the the incredible disparity in political violence and terrorism as just an anecdote. Because events are anecdotes and it never becomes real data and so you can't ever say anything about anything.
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This is totally a non-sequitur. Lately, there has been more political violence from the right in the US, there is actually data to support that. I only see anecdotes to support the notion that electoral fraud is more prevalent on the right. Nobody has even bothered saying otherwise, they've just got a bunch of special pleading for why they must be right.
 
Warp12 said:
The real funny part is that some people believe that voter fraud is just the reported handful of cases out of 155 million ballots cast. And that it is predominantly only from the "other party", of course.

This is what passes for "critical thought", around here. Comically stupid.
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You know what would have been better than this childish sputtering? Show us how it's done- show some evidence for more than just the handful of cases, something more empirical than anecdotal evidence for any systematic effort by either party. If you can do that, you're doing more than any of the other pols pushing the meme as a way to scare their flock, or the idiots who gobble that crap up. Otherwise, all you're doing here is making exactly the sort of mindless noises that really are comically stupid.

Put up or shut the **** up- my guess is that you won't be able to do either.
 
turingtest said:
You know what would have been better than this childish sputtering? Show us how it's done- show some evidence for more than just the handful of cases, something more empirical than anecdotal evidence for any systematic effort by either party. If you can do that, you're doing more than any of the other pols pushing the meme as a way to scare their flock, or the idiots who gobble that crap up. Otherwise, all you're doing here is making exactly the sort of mindless noises that really are comically stupid.

Put up or shut the **** up- my guess is that you won't be able to do either.
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Tough words.

Who said anything about large-scale organized efforts by either party? Maybe read what I wrote again, and analyze it more closely.

Then again, I am not asking anyone to leave their comfort zone, here.
 
Warp12 said:
The real funny part is that some people believe that voter fraud is just the reported handful of cases out of 155 million ballots cast. And that it is predominantly only from the "other party", of course.

This is what passes for "critical thought", around here. Comically stupid.
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Can you provide evidence that it is more than just the handful of reported cases?
 
Warp12 said:
The real funny part is that some people believe that voter fraud is just the reported handful of cases out of 155 million ballots cast. And that it is predominantly only from the "other party", of course.

This is what passes for "critical thought", around here. Comically stupid.
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Can you please point us to other, larger, verified instances of voter fraud in US elections?
 
Cat Not Included said:
Can you please point us to other, larger, verified instances of voter fraud in US elections?
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Are you telling me you think the extent is only the few cases reported in the media? Is that really what you believe? Out of 155 million votes cast?

Again, I have said nothing about large-scale organized efforts...by either party.
 
Warp12 said:
Are you telling me you think the extent is only the few cases reported in the media? Is that really what you believe? Out of 155 million votes cast?

Again, I have said nothing about large-scale organized efforts...by either party.
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Wow.. just... wow.:rolleyes:
 
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