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Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 28

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Tero said:
Gellman is running another warning story.
TRUMP’S NEXT COUP HAS ALREADY BEGUN
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazin...insurrection-trump-coup-2024-election/620843/
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Very disturbing read; forthrightly takes both parties to task.

Conspicuously missing from Biden’s speech was any mention even of filibuster reform, without which voting-rights legislation is doomed. Nor was there any mention of holding Trump and his minions accountable, legally, for plotting a coup. Patterson, the retired firefighter, was right to say that nobody has been charged with insurrection; the question is, why not? The Justice Department and the FBI are chasing down the foot soldiers of January 6, but there is no public sign that they are building cases against the men and women who sent them. Absent consequences, they will certainly try again. An unpunished plot is practice for the next.
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Warp12 said:
I mean, generally speaking...considering two impeachments, skipping a term, multiple scandals, no access to social media, etc...it will be quite shocking if he wins 2024. If that doesn't prove what a **** show the Democratic party is, nothing will.
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Nailed

Lurch said:
Warp,
How certain are you that the Dems being ineffective would be a bigger reason for a Trump win than an all-in base wanting him back?
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Trump left office with the worst ratings since Richard Milhous Nixon.

I don't believe people would even be mentioning his name if Biden's numbers weren't equally disastrous.
 
d4m10n said:
Conspicuously missing from Biden’s speech was any mention even of filibuster reform, without which voting-rights legislation is doomed. Nor was there any mention of holding Trump and his minions accountable, legally, for plotting a coup. Patterson, the retired firefighter, was right to say that nobody has been charged with insurrection; the question is, why not? The Justice Department and the FBI are chasing down the foot soldiers of January 6, but there is no public sign that they are building cases against the men and women who sent them. Absent consequences, they will certainly try again. An unpunished plot is practice for the next.
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There are multiple actions being taken in parallel currently about the Trump regime and the insurrection, all of which can lead to serious convictions. Already the first jail sentences for the 6-Jan insurrectionists are being handed out. So I would say they may be just holding their cards close to their chest while drawing in a VERY wide net. As that net closes, things will get VERY heated and interesting, so they need to have all their ducks in a row, i's crossed and t's dotted first. They are not the GOP - they are not about publicly crowing about all the "opposition" they have bagged.

Also they do not want to be seen to be interfering with the legal process - keeping things absolutely valid and (dare I say) unimpeachable.
 
Norman Alexander said:
There are multiple actions being taken in parallel currently about the Trump regime and the insurrection, all of which can lead to serious convictions. Already the first jail sentences for the 6-Jan insurrectionists are being handed out. So I would say they may be just holding their cards close to their chest while drawing in a VERY wide net. As that net closes, things will get VERY heated and interesting, so they need to have all their ducks in a row, i's crossed and t's dotted first. They are not the GOP - they are not about publicly crowing about all the "opposition" they have bagged.

Also they do not want to be seen to be interfering with the legal process - keeping things absolutely valid and (dare I say) unimpeachable.
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We can hope, but on this, I'm not about to hold my breath.
 
from trump's 'announcements' website:

Wow, it looks like highly respected Senator David Perdue will be running against RINO Brian Kemp for Governor of Georgia. David was a great Senator, and he truly loves his State and his Country. This will be very interesting, and I can’t imagine that Brian Kemp, who has hurt election integrity in Georgia so badly, can do well at the ballot box (unless the election is rigged, of course). He cost us two Senate seats and a Presidential victory in the Great State of Georgia.
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Anybody that doesn’t think there wasn’t massive Election Fraud in the 2020 Presidential Election is either very stupid, or very corrupt!
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Do you believe that Shifty Adam Schiff is on the Committee concerning the 2020 protest when he was the one that scammed America and the World on the Russia, Russia, Russia Hoax? He’s a sleezeball that has no credibility and is so bad for our Nation!
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I'm pretty sure now that he deliberately leaves errors in these statements that he posts. People in the media pick up on the errors, point them out and that in turn reinforces the notion among his supporters that he's unfairly picked on. I've encountered more than one person who explicitly said to me that they "didn't support him until everyone started picking on him".
 
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TofuFighter said:
from trump's 'announcements' website:





I'm pretty sure now that he deliberately leaves errors in these statements that he posts. People in the media pick up on the errors, point them out and that in turn reinforces the notion among his supporters that he's unfairly picked on. I've encountered more than one person who explicitly said to me that they "didn't support him until everyone started picking on him".
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Obviously, they weren't walking at the same time they told you this.
 
Armitage72 said:
Freudian slip, a moment of honesty, or just incompetence?
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Incompetence.
I have the feeling we'll be seeing a lot of these. (Well, I won't, but you know what I mean.)
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TofuFighter said:
I'm pretty sure now that he deliberately leaves errors in these statements that he posts. People in the media pick up on the errors, point them out and that in turn reinforces the notion among his supporters that he's unfairly picked on. I've encountered more than one person who explicitly said to me that they "didn't support him until everyone started picking on him".
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I guess the question is... do you believe those people.

After all, Democratic politicians get picked on all the time, yet it didn't turn them into Biden supporters.

I suspect those people who claim they support Trump because "people are picking on him" are probably hardcore MAGAchud who love them some racist con-artistry, but they didn't want to admit the real reason they support Stubby McBonespurs so they try to come up with an explanation that sounds sympathetic.
 
Segnosaur said:
I guess the question is... do you believe those people.

After all, Democratic politicians get picked on all the time, yet it didn't turn them into Biden supporters.

I suspect those people who claim they support Trump because "people are picking on him" are probably hardcore MAGAchud who love them some racist con-artistry, but they didn't want to admit the real reason they support Stubby McBonespurs so they try to come up with an explanation that sounds sympathetic.
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Oh, come on. Who votes for a president based on something so shallow and idiotic? Oh, wait...........


Never mind.
 
Segnosaur said:
I guess the question is... do you believe those people.

After all, Democratic politicians get picked on all the time, yet it didn't turn them into Biden supporters.

I suspect those people who claim they support Trump because "people are picking on him" are probably hardcore MAGAchud who love them some racist con-artistry, but they didn't want to admit the real reason they support Stubby McBonespurs so they try to come up with an explanation that sounds sympathetic.
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^^^ This...absolutely.
 
Segnosaur said:
I guess the question is... do you believe those people.

After all, Democratic politicians get picked on all the time, yet it didn't turn them into Biden supporters.

I suspect those people who claim they support Trump because "people are picking on him" are probably hardcore MAGAchud who love them some racist con-artistry, but they didn't want to admit the real reason they support Stubby McBonespurs so they try to come up with an explanation that sounds sympathetic.
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I think it is very possible that they were swayed by Trump and media to be sympathetic to his cause. For one thing, Fox has spun that narrative for years. Trump made it a critical part of his platform (media bias/fake news).

Media coverage, and the seemingly endless Dem witch hunts, combined with obvious TDS, could certainly make Trump a sympathetic figure to some.
 
Warp12 said:
I think it is very possible that they were swayed by Trump and media to be sympathetic to his cause. For one thing, Fox has spun that narrative for years. Trump made it a critical part of his platform (media bias/fake news).
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Sure, if one whines about being a victim and is shameless enough, people not actually paying attention certainly can be swayed, especially if it plays into larger narratives created by the guilty to try to protect themselves. Bonus points if it invokes banal truths selectively overemphasized and twisted.

Warp12 said:
Media coverage, and the seemingly endless Dem witch hunts, combined with obvious TDS, could certainly make Trump a sympathetic figure to some.
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The alleged Dem "witch hunts" that, objectively speaking, pretty inevitably were rooted on grounds that were unpleasantly firm and kept finding that the primary concerns actually were well justified? "Witch hunt" was more a rallying cry to either summon or trick people into defending him than an actual defense or accurate assessment, either way. Yes, though, constantly creating a situation where it would be irresponsible for the news to ignore the bad things that he and his administration did and were doing and then playing it off in line with already widespread and reinforced narratives likely did have effect. An evil man's guide to a catch-22, really. Either they do lots of bad things and the media doesn't report on them, which means that they just get away with it, or the media does report on it and they use that to create and confirm biased narratives that decrease trust in truthful reporting.
 
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Warp12 said:
I think it is very possible that they were swayed by Trump and media to be sympathetic to his cause. For one thing, Fox has spun that narrative for years. Trump made it a critical part of his platform (media bias/fake news).

Media coverage, and the seemingly endless Dem witch hunts, combined with obvious TDS, could certainly make Trump a sympathetic figure to some.
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The "witch hunts" was a label to replace the more blatant "It wasn't me." All those so called witch hunts dug up pretty egregious activities by Trump and his family, but a predominantly MAGA Congress decided that it wasn't enough to indict him.
 
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