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God's Omnipotence

HeyLeroy said:
Iacchus, may I make a suggestion?
Whatever your personal policy is on the ingestion of psychoactive substances, pro or con, reverse it.
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You're right, I could be nuts. A cashew perhaps? ... Well bless you. ;)
 
Iacchus said:
1/666 x 666/1 = 666/666 = 1/1 = 1
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Okay, if we assume that God = 1, then does God = .99999.............. ? If God is infinite, then he cannot equal both, and therefore is not omnipotent. Or is not infinite, and therefore is not omnipotent.

Therefore, he's not omnipotent.
 
Dorian Gray said:
Okay, if we assume that God = 1, then does God = .99999.............. ? If God is infinite, then he cannot equal both, and therefore is not omnipotent. Or is not infinite, and therefore is not omnipotent.

Therefore, he's not omnipotent.
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Or, how about this? ... 1/∞ x ∞/1 = ∞/∞ = 1/1 = 1.
 
Going back to what I said earlier, why do you think the truth has to be incomprehensible?
 
c4ts said:
Going back to what I said earlier, why do you think the truth has to be incomprehensible?
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'Cause it makes him feel "special" ;) He's a "special" monster of the ID

ETA: Crap, forgot "Just like you"
There, I think I covered most of his normal bases.
 
Iacchus said:
Really? Why do you say that? The truth is as plain as the nose on your face.
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No it isn't. The nose on my face doesn't contradict itself!

Give me one example of something that is both true and untrue at the same time, in exactly the same sense, which is also true but not unture.
 
c4ts said:
No it isn't. The nose on my face doesn't contradict itself!
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Correct, some things are more apparent than others.

Give me one example of something that is both true and untrue at the same time, in exactly the same sense, which is also true but not unture.
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Well, the word "unture" for one thing, although I'm sure you meant "untrue." :D
 
No, I meant for you to demonstrate a contradictory truth (not to be confused with paradox, which is only an apparent contradiction).

The word "untrue" does not satisfy the parameters. You're just talking semantics. It's "true" in the sense of the definition, "untrue" in the sense of the word itself. It is not untrue in the sense that it is true.

If it were so, the definition would look like this:
1. True
2. Not true
And the word would have to be constructed in such a way that definitions 1 and 2 could not be used separately! You must rule out paradox, not create it.

Do you see what I am asking for? It is not paradox.

Give me a value for "P" that is equal to "not P," but at the same time, excludes "not P."
 
Well, let me put it this way, within the realm of time and space I believe everything remains consistent (hence truthful) within the parameters of that realm, in which case no "contradictions" exist.
 
Iacchus said:
Well, let me put it this way, within the realm of time and space I believe everything remains consistent (hence truthful) within the parameters of that realm, in which case no "contradictions" exist.
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[Iacchus Translator]No, C4ts, I cannot provide you with the example that you asked of me twice. I was willfully yanking your chain.[/Iacchus Translator]
 
Iacchus said:
Well, let me put it this way, within the realm of time and space I believe everything remains consistent (hence truthful) within the parameters of that realm, in which case no "contradictions" exist.
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If no contradictions exist, why do you say that the truth can be illogical?
 
c4ts said:
If no contradictions exist, why do you say that the truth can be illogical?
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Indeed, it can be illogical if, it does not predate time and space. So, let me ask you this, which came first, time and space or, the truth of time and space? If the truth didn't exist prior to the beginning of time and space, how could it exist after? How could there be any truth to this particular statement at all?

So, would you have us believe it sort of went like this? ... In the beginning there was nothing, and (a ficticious) God said, "Let there be coherence."
 
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Iacchus said:
Indeed, it can be illogical if, it does not predate time and space. So, let me ask you this, which came first, time and space or, the truth of time and space? If the truth didn't exist prior to the advent of time and space, how could it exist after? How could there be any truth to this particular statement at all?

So, would you have us believe it sort of went like this? ... In the beginning there was nothing, and (a ficticious) God said, "Let there be coherence."
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Truth is a human notion used to define the correctness of a concept, statement or similar.
The physical reality of the universe would still exist without us, or any other living being, here to debate it.

How is that hard to understand?

What do you mean when you refer to "the truth of time and space" and how is it different from the reality of time and space?

Also, can I have a toke on whatever you're smoking?
 
HeyLeroy said:
Frisian, If your God is everywhere at the same time, and hell is the absence of (or separation from) your God, how can he be omnipotent?
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Omnipresence doesn't mean that God is everywhere at all times, rather there are no spatial barriers to His presence.
 
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