Oxford High School, Michigan, school shooting.

[Cain]

Instead of using their legislative powers to require adults to securely store guns, it seems some Michigan lawmakers want to arm and train teachers so they can shoot their students.

https://eu.detroitnews.com/story/ne...debate-over-michigan-gun-policies/8820389002/

Surely it will lower insurance premiums if teachers are armed. And what could go wrong?

 

[Thermal]

That should surely make future juvenile shooters think twice before killing anyone.. What kid goes ahead with criminal activity, knowing mom and dad will get in trouble.?

Color me cynical, but I don't think junior is too awfully worried about ma and pa when he commits to mass murder.

 

[dudalb]

Yeah, it's not like Biden has a history free of evidence of racial biases, but this call just ain't it.

Not that I'm arguing it's a good call. I think it's silly because the variant probably doesn't even originate in Southern Africa, even if it did it's obviously not limited to spreading there at this point, the ban doesn't even stop people who are there from coming here if they're American, and the ban just incentivizes places to test less and not tell others when they do find stuff like this.

They should put in strict (and temporary) quarantine measures for all people coming in from areas it is currently shown to have spread even if they are Americans until more data is available.

And I have to point out that the guy you are responding to is a die hard Bernie bro who has apparently never forgiven Biden for winning the Nomination.

 

[alfaniner]

Total ad hominem, but on first glance at his mug photo, did anyone else think...

Nelson Muntz?

I wonder how long it will be before someone over there blames computer games?

I've already heard a comment that said he was in a "game room" at some point (I assume, online). Just like almost every other teenage boy out there.

 

[rdwight]

Because there is resistance by the American gun-cult to laws that require parents to securely store weapons because this "tramples freedoms"..[snip]

Think the problem comes down to how it would have to be enforced. Who is inspecting residences, how often, with what probable cause, what punishment and for which weapons? If the parents are going to be prosecuted, it would seem the laws on the books already cover this at some rate for when things go wrong. Trampling rights are not something that people are going to jump on board with, and I don't see a way to have this help without doing so.

 

[Checkmite]

Think the problem comes down to how it would have to be enforced. Who is inspecting residences, how often, with what probable cause, what punishment and for which weapons? If the parents are going to be prosecuted, it would seem the laws on the books already cover this at some rate for when things go wrong.

It would seem not, if the idea of prosecuting the parents in this case is merely being "considered" and doesn't end up happening. A more solid law, or more consistent enforcement, is needed.

It doesn't have to be something that's inspected. If your kid misuses a weapon you own, you are prosecuted as a co-defendant for whatever crime they committed.

 

[Thermal]

Because there is resistance by the American gun-cult to laws that require parents to securely store weapons because this "tramples freedoms"; and there is also resistance to measures to keep guns away from children in general, largely owing to a curious, widespread dogmatic belief that exposure to guns and gun culture magically makes children good and law-abiding people.

*MS-13 shoots a an annoyed look*

 

[crescent]

Oxford school shooting - latest: Suspect Ethan Crumbley in court as mother’s pro-gun letter to Trump emerges

“As a female and a Realtor, thank you for allowing my right to bear arms,” she wrote. “Allowing me to be protected if I show a home to someone with bad intentions. Thank you for respecting that Amendment.”

That's about the nicest quote from the mother's blog entry (from 2016, during the Trump/Hillary election campaign phase):

Mr. Trump, this is why I voted for you. I see the change that we so desperately need. I see jobs coming back, people having to work for their handouts, money going to who really deserve it. Big Pharma taken down, Monsanto stop poisoning us. Jobs given back to our American workers. I believe YOU are the President who will make these things happen. I have NEVER had this much belief in one person, and you are it.

If this blog even makes it to your eyes…thank you. From the bottom of my heart.

Yours Truly,

A hard working Middle Class Law Abiding Citizen who is sick of getting ****** in the *** and would rather be grabbed by the pussy.

Echoes (to me, at least) of the mother of the Sandy Hook shooter, who taught her son to shoot and went to ranges with him because she thought it would draw him out of his shell. The world would have been better off had he stayed in that shell.

 

[Norman Alexander]

My question is: Was HE the "good guy with a gun"??

 

[Meadmaker]

In the old days I could have called this thread "Responsible gun owner buys new gun and lets teenage kid access it."

 

[Meadmaker]

Oxford school shooting - latest: Suspect Ethan Crumbley in court as mother’s pro-gun letter to Trump emerges



That's about the nicest quote from the mother's blog entry (from 2016, during the Trump/Hillary election campaign phase):

Breaking news:. Shooter's mother is a dumbass.

 

[Meadmaker]

Why not both?

Because giving teachers guns on the classroom will result in:

Accidental shootings.

Stolen guns.

Teachers making bad judgements in tense situations, and firing guns when no guns ought to be fired.

Teachers making bad judgements in high pressure situations, and shooting the wrong people.

Fights that escalate to deadly force.

Shootings done in self defense where the self defense claim is based on the fear that an attacker will take the gun.

And, since teachers are not immune from mental illness, anger, stress induced breakdowns, and all the other things that cause people to snap, there will be an occasional murder.

 

[alfaniner]

I saw both the parents on the zoom call for the arraignment/charges. It looked like they were sending from their car. Both were wearing trucker caps but I couldn't see the logos. Neither one was red, though.

I'd think that appearing before a judge for your son, even on a screen, would warrant a little more dignified and sober appearance. (Not to imply they weren't sober, but who knows?)

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Simple rule: if you're weapon is taken because it wasn't secured, and used to commit a crime, you loose your right to have one.

That would boost gun safe sales.

 

[Meadmaker]

I saw both the parents on the zoom call for the arraignment/charges. It looked like they were sending from their car. Both were wearing trucker caps but I couldn't see the logos. Neither one was red, though.

I'd think that appearing before a judge for your son, even on a screen, would warrant a little more dignified and sober appearance. (Not to imply they weren't sober, but who knows?)

News reports here suggested that the hats were worn primarily to be a partial disguise. They could at least conceal their hair, and wear them low so that their faces weren't quite as recognizable.

 

[erlando]

Yes, let's arm the teachers and add even more guns to the mix. What could possibly go wrong?

 

[The Don]

Yes, let's arm the teachers and add even more guns to the mix. What could possibly go wrong?

...and let's fire the teachers who are unwilling to be armed - clearly they don't care about their pupils' welfare.

 

[Checkmite]

It's been reported today that a couple of hours before the shooting, the shooter's parents were at the school, having been called there by administrators for a meeting about their son's "concerning behavior". The exact nature of the behavior in question hasn't been disclosed yet.

 

[Darat]

It would seem not, if the idea of prosecuting the parents in this case is merely being "considered" and doesn't end up happening. A more solid law, or more consistent enforcement, is needed.

It doesn't have to be something that's inspected. If your kid misuses a weapon you own, you are prosecuted as a co-defendant for whatever crime they committed.

In the UK (it is slightly different in the various legislations but overall its the same) when you apply for a licence the police will visit your home and inspect where and how your guns and ammunition are stored. If that is is sufficient and you get your licence it is then up to you to inform the police if you change how you store your firearms and ammunition in the future.

 

[Checkmite]

In the UK (it is slightly different in the various legislations but overall its the same) when you apply for a licence the police will visit your home and inspect where and how your guns and ammunition are stored. If that is is sufficient and you get your licence it is then up to you to inform the police if you change how you store your firearms and ammunition in the future.

Yeah there's no way in hell that'd happen here.