Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 28

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I get a beautiful sense of completeness when I go to SC and see the far-right morons complaining that the Democrats want to destroy USA, and are actively doing that, then come here and see people on the left complaining that the Trumpettes want to destroy USA, and are actively doing that. Hyperbole is a way of life for all of you.

It looks to me that each side is determined to drive the other further to whichever side they're not on.

Maybe both lots should calm the **** down for a while.

Either that or all buy guns and just go for it.

"When people thought the Earth was flat, they were wrong. When people thought the Earth was spherical, they were wrong. But if you think that thinking the Earth is spherical is just as wrong as thinking the Earth is flat, then your view is wronger than both of them put together." - The Relativity of Wrong, Isaac Asimov

This is why it isn't hypocritical in the least to note that Hunter Biden isn't anywhere near as problematic selling art as at least three of Trump's children. It also isn't the defense Warp and you think it is.

It is also why your assertion here is laughable. Well, one reason anyway. Your reasoning is that because accusations are made both ways of extreme risk, both are near equally wrong and both near equally invalid.

That's not how claims work. The truth of a claim is based on the evidence of it and not on the existence of it. One is true and one is not. At the very least one is so much closer to true than the other one that equating them makes you wronger than wrong. You wouldn't say that two people accusing each other of murder were neither murderers, and the same applies here.

Well you might. Still wrong.
 
"Salvador Dali's surreal paintings were godsent
You'd never know he ate his own excrement"
-Henry Phillips, "On the Shoulders of Freaks"

(Accuracy not guaranteed. The song also references the propaganda about Catherine the Great and horses.)

“For the record, folks; I never took a **** on stage and the closest I ever came to eating **** anywhere was at a Holiday Inn buffet in Fayetteville, North Carolina, in 1973.”

Frank Zappa
 
"When people thought the Earth was flat, they were wrong. When people thought the Earth was spherical, they were wrong. But if you think that thinking the Earth is spherical is just as wrong as thinking the Earth is flat, then your view is wronger than both of them put together." - The Relativity of Wrong, Isaac Asimov

Jeez, how droll - I've never seen that one before...

You won't believe how fuinny this is to me - I see it as a perfect analogy to religion: "My god is the real one!" "no, my god is the real one!"

Substitute a party for a deity and you're living the dream.

This is why it isn't hypocritical in the least to note that Hunter Biden isn't anywhere near as problematic selling art as at least three of Trump's children. It also isn't the defense Warp and you think it is.

Who says it's not as problematic? Oh, you do. That couldn't have anything to do with your side being in the right all the time, could it?

One son is a fraud, the other is a wanker.

Not much to choose from where I see them.

It is also why your assertion here is laughable. Well, one reason anyway. Your reasoning is that because accusations are made both ways of extreme risk, both are near equally wrong and both near equally invalid.

And again - "My side's right and the other side's wrong!"

Bollocks.

What happened to Biden's bill? What party did the two dissenters belong to? It's like gerrymandering - both sides do it, but I never see screaming headlines about Democrats doing it. And it's not like Democrats ever hurt the people they claim to represent, do they Ms Kamala Harris?

Oh yeah, how's that whole Mexican border business working out since the living saints took over?

Oops.

The truth of a claim is based on the evidence of it and not on the existence of it.

Then present evidence that the Dumocrats are better than the Republitards, there's a good chap.

Should be a piece of cake since the difference is so obvious.

(And no sneaky slipping in opinion as evidence.)
 
I get a beautiful sense of completeness when I go to SC and see the far-right morons complaining that the Democrats want to destroy USA, and are actively doing that, then come here and see people on the left complaining that the Trumpettes want to destroy USA, and are actively doing that. Hyperbole is a way of life for all of you.

It looks to me that each side is determined to drive the other further to whichever side they're not on.

Maybe both lots should calm the **** down for a while.

Either that or all buy guns and just go for it.

False equivalence. Only one side has a domestic terror movement, a plan to disenfranchise as many voters as possible, and a refusal to accept election losses.

Your argument is that the people we are accusing of attacking democratic institutions are accusing other people of doing the same thing, and so there's no way they could actually be doing it.
 
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It didn't need to be. But nobody seemed to be able to say, "Good point. Both those kids are losers. Maybe it is a bit hypocritical to be mocking Trump's kid."

I even admitted neither was a winner. But nope, that isn't good enough, because, "GOP are bad! Dem is good!". :rolleyes:

Yet only one of those losers had a job in the white house, because only one administration has ever participated in such blatant nepotism and cronyism.
 
Jeez, how droll - I've never seen that one before...

You won't believe how fuinny this is to me - I see it as a perfect analogy to religion: "My god is the real one!" "no, my god is the real one!"

Substitute a party for a deity and you're living the dream.

It's very telling that you dismiss the analogy that can be determined by following the evidence and into one where evidence does not exist.

You're going to write off all evidence because that's too hard, and wouldn't let you feel superior while at the same time putting in zero effort into understanding.

Nope. The evidence matters. You remain wronger than wrong, even if you claim others are being dogmatic. Your say so is of zero worth as evidence, as claims are evaluated on the evidence and not their existence.



Who says it's not as problematic? Oh, you do. That couldn't have anything to do with your side being in the right all the time, could it?

One son is a fraud, the other is a wanker.

Not much to choose from where I see them.

The irony of this passage. Which one defrauded charities again? Which one is pushing the big lie? Which one lied about taxes? Which one mislead investors?

Yes, to you it's all the same as *checks notes* selling art.

I can't tell you what your morality has to be, but by your own postings you don't see these all as equal until you can pretend they are for the golden mean worship.



And again - "My side's right and the other side's wrong!"

Bollocks.

This is why you fail. Yes, my side (begrudging) is so much closer to right, and the other side so clearly wrong, that equating them is intellectually bankrupt.

You realize that there is no law of nature that requires these things to be in balance? Some claims are true. Some are false. This isn't deep.

What happened to Biden's bill? What party did the two dissenters belong to? It's like gerrymandering - both sides do it, but I never see screaming headlines about Democrats doing it. And it's not like Democrats ever hurt the people they claim to represent, do they Ms Kamala Harris?

Oh yeah, how's that whole Mexican border business working out since the living saints took over?

Oops.


Your own information here proves you completely wrong. One side gerrymanders much more often to a much greater degree, and you think the Dems are to blame because they don't unilaterally disarm. One side is trying very hard to end gerrymandering, which you identify as a wrong, but they are equally to blame for failing to pass it as those who filibustered even discussing any of the bills.

You're just wrong provable on math. 50 of 50 of the Democratic caucus in the Senate wants to pass a bill to end gerrymandering. Two want to keep the filibuster and get some Republican support to do so. 50 of 50 of the Republicans don't even want to debate it. You have 100% for ending it on one side, 100% against ending it on the other, and even though you think it should end because it's bad, you see these as the same.

Nonsense of the highest order. The dems not being perfect in fixing everything in a year isn't the same as the side actively breaking things. Duh.



Then present evidence that the Dumocrats are better than the Republitards, there's a good chap.

Should be a piece of cake since the difference is so obvious.

(And no sneaky slipping in opinion as evidence.)

You presented evidence they aren't the same already. You don't believe it even as you present it. You don't know the difference between opinion and evidence as you think your opinion is better than even the concept of following evidence.

Which side is trying to disenfranchise people? Which side advocates for torture? Which side is trying to end free and fair elections? Which side denies climate science? Which side denies medical science?

This isn't a close call. Which one do you want evidence of? There are threads on all of them. It doesn't matter, your own points disprove your argument. You'll listen to none of them.
 
False equivalence. Only one side has a domestic terror movement, a plan to disenfranchise as many voters as possible, and a refusal to accept election losses.

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BLM arsonists are patriots, the Proud Babies are terrorists. This is a classic example of both sides being wrong, and neither recognising that.

Refusal to accept election losses? I could be wrong, but I thought there was a "Not My President's Day" once upon a time, and that Al Gore challenged his loss in SCOTUS.

Must have dreamt those.

Your argument is that the people we are accusing of attacking democratic institutions are accusing other people of doing the same thing, and so there's no way they could actually be doing it.

No, my argument is that both sides are ******* crazy. I'll accept one side is crazier than the other, but that's about as far as I'll go.

It's very telling that you dismiss the analogy that can be determined by following the evidence and into one where evidence does not exist.

Evidence you say, bring it on!

You're going to write off all evidence because that's too hard,...

No, I'm waiting for you to present some...

The evidence matters.

Gosh, this is exciting - I love the way you're building the suspense!

Your say so is of zero worth as evidence, as claims are evaluated on the evidence and not their existence.

Honey, I haven't anywhere claimed my opinion is evidence, but I'm still waiting for yours.

The irony of this passage. Which one defrauded charities again? Which one is pushing the big lie? Which one lied about taxes? Which one mislead investors?

The Clintons?

Just refresh my memory - I believe America has a system where people are innocent until proven guilty in a court. What prosecutions has Trump had?

Some of Trump's allies have been prosecuted, but so have some of Clinton's. Except for Epstein, who conveniently offed himself.

Your own information here proves you completely wrong. One side gerrymanders much more often to a much greater degree, and you think the Dems are to blame because they don't unilaterally disarm. One side is trying very hard to end gerrymandering, which you identify as a wrong, but they are equally to blame for failing to pass it as those who filibustered even discussing any of the bills.

See, if I were presenting evidence on gerrymandering and claiming one side was worse than the other, I'd present data to prove it, but you've made an inane comment and nothing else. Could it be that Republican indulge in more gerrymandering simply because they have control of more states? Of course, the noble Dems wouldn't do that.

Nonsense of the highest order. The dems not being perfect in fixing everything in a year isn't the same as the side actively breaking things. Duh.

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Priceless. "We're going to fix it, really and truly." Pinky promise?

...evidence...

I've lost count of the number of paragraphs you haven't presented any.

You don't know the difference between opinion and evidence as you think your opinion is better than even the concept of following evidence.

Have you considered a career in politics or comedy yourself? I ask because you're damned funny.

I know with 100% certainty the difference between evidence (of which you've posted none) and opinion.

Which side is trying to disenfranchise people?

I;m so glad you brought that one up, because the Republitards tell me it's Dumbocrats, while the converse also applies.

My god is the real one!

Which side advocates for torture?

Every Democrat president up to Obama by my count.

However, I would have to add that drone strikes increased under Obama.

This is evidence to back that claim up, by the way: https://www.thebureauinvestigates.c...r-in-numbers-ten-times-more-strikes-than-bush

What's a few hundred dead civilians against stopping the occasional waterboarding?

Which side is trying to end free and fair elections?

No question both of them. Dems are just jealous the Republicans are much better at it. It was the Dems who tried to impeach Trump twice, wasn't it? And who backed the since proven-false Russian collusion?

Which side denies climate science?

Hey, you found one!

Which side denies medical science?

Neither, as far as I'm aware.

I seem to recall Trump starting the Operation Warp Speed and advocating vaccines, but maybe I dreamt that too.

... evidence ...

The final, and most hilarious of all.

You've typed that word ten times in your post.

And presented zero.

Brilliant!
 
Evidence you say, bring it on!



No, I'm waiting for you to present some...



Gosh, this is exciting - I love the way you're building the suspense!



Honey, I haven't anywhere claimed my opinion is evidence, but I'm still waiting for yours.


Well champ, you denied the evidence you presented. You're just sol as the evidence you presented proved you wrong, and now you're going to just ignore it all.

Did you read your citations? No? The one that said the Biden admin was forced to keep Trump's stay in Mexico policy? Did the Biden admin remove children from their parents and then loose the children?

You don't care about evidence. Your position is invalid and false.




Hunter Biden isn't a Clinton last I checked. You're bad at this.

Just refresh my memory - I believe America has a system where people are innocent until proven guilty in a court. What prosecutions has Trump had?

They are innocent in the eyes of the government. Court cases don't determine truth.

Some of Trump's allies have been prosecuted, but so have some of Clinton's. Except for Epstein, who conveniently offed himself.

Adorable.



See, if I were presenting evidence on gerrymandering and claiming one side was worse than the other, I'd present data to prove it, but you've made an inane comment and nothing else. Could it be that Republican indulge in more gerrymandering simply because they have control of more states? Of course, the noble Dems wouldn't do that.


This is an admission that you already know the Dems don't gerrymander as much but you don't care.


Priceless. "We're going to fix it, really and truly." Pinky promise?


This is an admission that you know they aren't equal but you'll pretend they are anyway. Was the math too hard for you?



I've lost count of the number of paragraphs you haven't presented any.


You don't even believe your own. Your argument is bankrupt.



Have you considered a career in politics or comedy yourself? I ask because you're damned funny.

I literally had one for almost a decade. Your praise means nothing.

I know with 100% certainty the difference between evidence (of which you've posted none) and opinion.


No you don't. You've not based your conclusion even on your own evidence. What is that again? Oh right...


I;m so glad you brought that one up, because the Republitards tell me it's Dumbocrats, while the converse also applies.

My god is the real one!


This is anti-thinking. You're just saying because the Republicans say it's the Democrats, then the claims have equal merit.

No. This is exactly the same as thinking because two people accuse each other of murder they are both or neither murderers. Your reasoning is invalid. Nothing else you say, none of it, can change that you're relying on completely fallacious logic, and think that this failure is your virtue.

You claim you're basing this conclusion on evidence. What is your evidence that the dems and GOP are equally trying to disenfranchise people?

You have none. Your conclusion is based on nonsense reasoning and is untrue.



Every Democrat president up to Obama by my count.

Bull

However, I would have to add that drone strikes increased under Obama.

This is evidence to back that claim up, by the way: https://www.thebureauinvestigates.c...r-in-numbers-ten-times-more-strikes-than-bush

What's a few hundred dead civilians against stopping the occasional waterboarding?


This again shows that even by your own reckoning the Republicans are worse. Both sides engaged in actions that led to civilian deaths (Trump was less transparent about it) and one side also advocates for torture. No matter what value you assign to the civilian deaths, the GOP has 'civil deaths + torture'.

You're not even trying.



No question both of them. Dems are just jealous the Republicans are much better at it. It was the Dems who tried to impeach Trump twice, wasn't it? And who backed the since proven-false Russian collusion?


What are you talking about? Russia did, proven no doubt, interfered in the election to the benefit of Trump as even the GOP Senate panel found.

More than that, you're finding a situation where the evidence shows the Republicans are worse, but even then you just claim the counterfactual the Dems are just as bad in their hearts if they would do the same. You're making up what you need to believe to pretend they are equal even when they demonstrably are not.

There is no reason to think you'll engage in good faith if you just claim 'they wish they could' based on nothing but your opinion. Remember when you said you knew the difference? Right here you prove you don't.



Hey, you found one!


Which means they aren't the same. Why are you so bad at this?



Neither, as far as I'm aware.

I seem to recall Trump starting the Operation Warp Speed and advocating vaccines, but maybe I dreamt that too.


He also lied about several treatments, remember hydroxychloroquine? And the severity of the disease. And he's not the entire GOP because right now they deny the risk of the disease and the vaccines and the benefit of the vaccines.

Regardless I was talking about reproductive medicine. They actually pass laws forcing doctors to lie.




The final, and most hilarious of all.

You've typed that word ten times in your post.

And presented zero.

Brilliant!


You deny your own evidence. There is no reason to keep presenting you with more. You will remain wrong, and wronger than wrong, and I've spent enough time on your nonsense for now. I'll remind you again like I do every few months on how bad you are at this.
 
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BLM arsonists are patriots, the Proud Babies are terrorists. This is a classic example of both sides being wrong, and neither recognising that.

My assertion is that the right has a domestic terror movement in the USA and the left does not. Your assertion is that BLM are arsonists and are equivalent terrorists. Here is my evidence.

https://www.csis.org/analysis/escalating-terrorism-problem-united-states

"Between 1994 and 2020, there were 893 terrorist attacks and plots in the United States. Overall, right-wing terrorists perpetrated the majority—57 percent—of all attacks and plots during this period, compared to 25 percent committed by left-wing terrorists, 15 percent by religious terrorists, 3 percent by ethnonationalists, and 0.7 percent by terrorists with other motives."

"right-wing terrorist attacks caused 335 deaths, left-wing attacks caused 22 deaths"

That's more than twice as much right wing terrorism as left wing, with a body count 15 times higher! And that's only if you include property destruction by animal rights activists who literally wouldn't hurt a fly as terrorism.

BLM in particular aren't terrorists. BLM is a non violent protest movement. Can you not tell the difference? White supremacist terrorists did use BLM protests as opportunity for false flag attacks so that they could frame BLM for it. And you fell for it!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-boi-minneapolis-police-building-george-floyd

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...d-boogaloo-right-wing-extremism-a9549081.html

https://www.npr.org/sections/live-u...ntify-viral-umbrella-man-as-white-supremacist

Refusal to accept election losses? I could be wrong, but I thought there was a "Not My President's Day" once upon a time, and that Al Gore challenged his loss in SCOTUS.

Must have dreamt those.

You're not remembering the time accurately. How about you make the case that they are actually equivalent, instead of just claiming that they are without actually making any comparison?
 
Saying there are raving maniacs working to destroy everything isn't hyperbole when the raving maniacs really are working to destroy everything. Avoiding telling it like it is just to avoid sounding extreme would leave one unable to accurately describe things that actually are dementedly extreme.

You can't risk sounding 'dramatic' to Trump supporters. On the other hand...

"All of us here today do not want to see our election victory stolen by emboldened radical-left Democrats, which is what they're doing. And stolen by the fake news media. That's what they've done and what they're doing. We will never give up, we will never concede. It doesn't happen. You don't concede when there's theft involved.

Our country has had enough. We will not take it anymore and that's what this is all about. And to use a favorite term that all of you people really came up with: We will stop the steal. Today I will lay out just some of the evidence proving that we won this election and we won it by a landslide. This was not a close election."

"States want to revote. The states got defrauded. They were given false information. They voted on it. Now they want to recertify. They want it back. All Vice President Pence has to do is send it back to the states to recertify and we become president and you are the happiest people.

And I actually, I just spoke to Mike. I said: "Mike, that doesn't take courage. What takes courage is to do nothing. That takes courage." And then we're stuck with a president who lost the election by a lot and we have to live with that for four more years. We're just not going to let that happen."
 
Interesting article from Politico:

As Donald Trump builds out a presidential-campaign-in-waiting, his team is focusing on an electoral strategy that relies on recapturing the five states that flipped to Joe Biden in 2020.

The five states — Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin — delivered a total of 73 electoral votes in 2020, enough to produce a decisive Electoral College victory for Biden. Since then, Trump has held four rallies, endorsed dozens of candidates and played a key role in shaping contests that could put his allies in top offices in those states in 2024.
...
For months, Trump has been building a turnkey operation in case he decides to announce a presidential bid. Advisers expect him to do so after the midterms if Republicans capture at least one chamber of Congress.


Trump poll tests his 2024 comeback map
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/11/23/trump-2024-map-523230
 
Pathetic though it is, I'll answer this pile of steaming garbage:

Well champ, you denied the evidence you presented. You're just sol as the evidence you presented proved you wrong, and now you're going to just ignore it all.

Utter crap - you made an idiotiuc analogy and I rightly dismissed it.

Did you read your citations? No? The one that said the Biden admin was forced to keep Trump's stay in Mexico policy?

So, he's not the President then? like he was forced to stick with Trump's withdrawal in A'stan...

Did the Biden admin remove children from their parents and then loose the children?

Bolding mine. You don't even know what you're saying, and the attempt to link piss-poor work by employees to the administration is clutching at very short straws.

You don't care about evidence. Your position is invalid and false.

Yes, your god in the real one. I get that...

Still no evidence I see. You're really good at this!

Hunter Biden isn't a Clinton last I checked.

This about Democrats v Republicans, not just Trump/Biden. The Democrats have had crooked presidents as well.

They are innocent in the eyes of the government. Court cases don't determine truth.

:dl:

Nice.

You will remain wrong, and wronger than wrong, and I've spent enough time on your nonsense for now. I'll remind you again like I do every few months on how bad you are at this.

Please try, and I'll come and laugh at you when Trump returns to the White House.
 
Your assertion is that BLM are arsonists and are equivalent terrorists.

I did not say BLM were arsonists, but it's 100% factual that BLM protests included arsonists.

"Between 1994 and 2020, there were 893 terrorist attacks and plots in the United States. Overall, right-wing terrorists perpetrated the majority—57 percent—of all attacks and plots during this period, compared to 25 percent committed by left-wing terrorists, 15 percent by religious terrorists, 3 percent by ethnonationalists, and 0.7 percent by terrorists with other motives."

That's fine, I wouldn't hesitate to agree there are more far-right terrorists than far left.

My point was that there are terrorists on both sides.

BLM in particular aren't terrorists.

When I say they are, you can tell me again.

White supremacist terrorists did use BLM protests as opportunity for false flag attacks so that they could frame BLM for it.

All of them? Wow.

I'll write to Franky the Pope and ask for BLM to be beatified and nominate them for a Nobel Peace Prize.
 
"Hey, leftist "protesters" are tearing **** down and burning the city. I'm just glad it isn't classified as terrorism. That would make their actions egregious."
 
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