The supernatural

[heydarian saeed]

Are you saying angels in the Quran are not real, but are symbols of energy? Because if you claim that you have to account for the fact Muhammad said the angel Gabriel dictated the Quran to him.

Only 4 angels are mentioned in the Qur'an: Gabriel - Israfil - Michael - Azrael. These are the 4 angels close to God. And are in the unseen. But by the command of God, they fulfill their mission in the universe. No one knows the nature of these. And neither in appearance nor in gender. No information is available to humans. These are 4 exceptional angels of God. I and no one can say anything about them unless God has said their duty in the Qur'an. Gabriel was the agent of divine revelation. Note: Divine revelation was revealed by Gabriel to Muhammad and other prophets through the Karamchaleh channel. The wormhole is a singularity.
Because of this distance, it travels the entire universe in an instant. You have already said that it would take billions of light years if Gabriel brought the message of revelation. So it can only come once. No, this is not the case. Revelation is from the wormhole channel and according to the laws of singularity.

 

[heydarian saeed]

Let me continue with the introduction to the elementary particles in the Qur'an. As well as the nature and quality of divine punishment.
What we know about divine punishment is wrong.

 

[heydarian saeed]

Let us briefly refer to the standard model of the universe in terms of the origin of the universe from a scientific point of view. According to the latest accepted scientific theory, the universe began as a result of an initial explosion called the "Big Bang" from an extremely hot and extremely dense or compact point and at an extremely small point. Many scientists have interpreted this as "nothing". And according to the theory of the Qur'an, they have interpreted it correctly. There is a difference between the theory of science and the Qur'an in one thing.
God created the universe from "nothing". And science says that nothing was created from nothing. This event happens in zero time. And from zero to ten seconds to the power of minus 43 is called the "Planck range" science. Not all the coordinates of matter and the laws of physics are valid in this range. Because they did not come into being. The environment is completely compact and empty of matter. Science calls this range "singularity". In English: "singularity".
And this word in Arabic means "oneness". That is, science says that the universe came into being at the time of zero. But there was no substance yet. There was no photon. That is, there was no energy. Therefore, space and place, which are the coordinates of matter, should not exist either. For this reason, they used the innovative word singularity.
The word was first coined by James Clerk Maxwell to define a particular system. A complex system in which a small disability arises from a small cause. Singularity was defined in different systems. It conveys the same thing in all definitions. Each system encounters a specific area of that system where the rules of that area are deadlocked. And finds its own complexity.
"Cosmic singularity" defines a range in which: the entire universe was in a very small, compact point with an extremely high density. And in this range the coordinates of matter and the laws of physics lose their validity. Space and matter have not yet been created. Singularity is not a point in space. It is a point in time. Because there was no space. From zero to ten minus to the power of 43 seconds after the Big Bang is the singularity range. Hawking and other scientists who have failed to understand this range.

 

[heydarian saeed]

Where did it come from? And it has been and is very complex. Therefore, they know a place called "Single" or "Ahad" in Arabic. In other words, in the range of singularity or unity of all the contents of singularity, the universe is very compact. It came from a single, and the single came from nothing. So physics says, "The Cosmic originated from the realm of singularity. And the realm of singularity originated from the singular." And he has nothing to say about the singular.
Then physics has reached the "Planck range". That means from zero to ten seconds to the power of minus 43 after the Big Bang. "It's a certain range," he says. And there is no time, place, rules or coordinates of matter. And it is very compact and simple. It is infinite. And human science does not have the power to analyze it. The reason is the extreme heat of about ten to the power of thirty two degrees Kelvin. And unimaginable for humans. And they call it: singularity. And in cosmology, where the natural laws of time and space have not yet been created. This condition occurs in a black hole.
Where the force of gravity leads to infinity. And in the beginning of the creation of the universe, this situation existed. So science accepts. And confirms that the universe began in a realm called singularity. And it states its coordinates as follows: The limit is simple and compact, and you are full of time and space, and all the concepts of matter and the laws of physics are invalid in it.
Mulla Sadra, one of the Islamic philosophers, has said the same thing in his interpretation of the Qur'an for verses 1 and 2 of Sura 112. I leave the interpretation to you: "And the essence of the sublime is said to be one; that all appointments and concepts, even the concept of essence, knowledge, identity are denied at this stage. "The universe is created from the multiplicity of manifestations of divine names and attributes." Mulla Sadra has understood these matters from the Qur'an. The meaning of the above words is: The universe was created from "nothing". What physics achieved.
Of course, science goes from the present to the past. That is, the expanded universe will come together if it goes back to the past. It gets smaller and smaller. Matter becomes basic particles. And they also turn into photons and muons. And reach singularity. This is how the theory of the cosmic model was formed. "Singularity came from both singles and singles," he says. This point is the difference between science and the Qur'an because: Science refused to know what lies beyond oneness. That is, the thinking power of scientists does not reach there.

 

[heydarian saeed]

This is what Professor Hawking says:
"So far we have realized that the whole universe is made up of the four basic laws of physics. We do not need to think any more. We do not need to seek God. And we do not need to understand how man was created," says Professor Hawking. We say that the universe came into being from these four laws of physics, especially the force of gravity, and that they too were created from nothing. That is, they created themselves. "But God Almighty says," The universe was not created from nothing. We created. "14 centuries ago, God answered Professor Hawking in verses 35 and 36 of Sura 52.

35- Meaning: Did they come into being without any creator or are they their own creator? Exactly the same Hawking sentence that: The universe created itself.
36- Meaning: Were the heavens and the earth (the universe) created in the same way? No. These people are not sure about their theory.
In the first verse, God says to the deniers of God: Were they created from nothing or did they create themselves? Is the universe created the same way? No, These people are not sure about their theory. It seems that God Almighty is now answering Professor Hawking with these two verses from the Qur'an.
Hawking on the question of who created the universe? "They created themselves," he says. "Of course it is a difficult question." And the believers are certain. But Hawking is not sure. And it is interesting that God says they were not convinced. The routine of the verses in the Qur'an is that it reminds the disbelievers and the disbelievers of the punishment of the Hereafter. But here for people like Hawking, he says, they were not sure. Because the Qur'an values he (Hawking) scientific research and the decipherment of the creation world. Hawking is not sure.

 

[heydarian saeed]

He first says: The universe was created by God. Then he says: Faith in God is not necessary. And denies God. And he was not sure. A very interesting point is the famous narration of our fourth Imam Sajjad AS, which opens its place here. Speech is rich and full of brains. "God has sent Surah 112 of the Qur'an to future generations, who have attained a high level of knowledge," he said.
Now, how did science choose the word oneness for Planck? And he considered it the origin of the creation of the world. In addition, he says: Oneness derives its power from singles. That is, from one. These are the interesting points of intersection of astronomy and cosmic physics with the theory of the Qur'an. I want to say that God knew that science would reach this point with its research. And he mentioned the word Uhud and Samad in this surah with greatness for our time. I have already told you that verse 53 of Sura 41 proves the existence of God in a distinct way. Meaning:
"Soon we will show you in the heavens (the universe) and in yourself (the masterpiece of creation, the molecules of the life of the DNA) to know that God is right. Are these not enough to prove the existence of God? They testify. "

 

[abaddon]

Hello. You seem to have forgotten. I said: The angel as a figure or a beautiful woman or whatever some people imagine. It is nothing but superstition. I do not accept. The Qur'an is not acceptable. Angels are the forces and energies that arose in the "Planck range." And are transformed together with matter. In Planck's time there was no matter and no material determination. It was "none". After the Big Bang and in the Planck range, which is about 10 to the power of minus 43. Everything has come into being. And the universe has expanded. There is no angel in the Qur'an at all as a human being or whatever you imagine. They are just forces and energies. The word angel is for people to understand 14 centuries ago. Not for my time and yours. pay attention.
My religious beliefs are quite clear. You are biased in hearing it. Your problem. Not me. By the way, I will still tell you the basics in response. So read on. And be patient. Thank you

So which of the forces dictated the magic words to the pedophile Mohammed?

 

[heydarian saeed]

I have given you the direct text of the Quran that says that you should kill people like me. It's the text of your holy book Heydarian! You don't just get to claim I'm lying when I've provided the proof. Deal with the quoted Surahs and stop being rude.

You do not rush. I advise you to be cool. I do not intend to disrespect or be rude to any of you. And I love you all. You do not know that I love you. And I love you. My reason is that you are active in the field of science - technology - civilization and culture. And I respect all that. And I'm interested in you. According to me, my beliefs and religion do not put a distance between us. I do not feel distant from any nation.

 

[heydarian saeed]

So which of the forces dictated the magic words to the pedophile Mohammed?

By the command of God, Gabriel conveys the revelation through the wormhole. He was only in charge of conveying the message of God (revelation) to Muhammad. Muhammad was only in charge of conveying the message (revelation) to the people. Muhammad and Gabriel are only God's agents. They have no will of their own. They were only God's agents.

 

[heydarian saeed]

"The horrible fake Duck God believers are just making stuff up and insulting my real Rabbit God" .
"The horrible fake Rabbit God believers are just making stuff up and insulting my real Duck God" .
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But you seem quite content that the God described in the Bible burns people in eternal hellfire and drowns almost all life on Earth, and you seem to approve of it.

Argumentum ad "I know you are but what am I?"

Hi. God is not what you portray. There is no need to do this. He is the kindest - the most knowledgeable - the most powerful. At 10 to the power of minus 43 seconds, it expanded the universe. It can also collect the universe. And return. Do not worry God.

 

[Chanakya]

We're now firmly in 2 + 2 = Potato territory.
A singularity, if you will, where the laws of reason and logic and math and internal consistency simply don't apply.

heydarian, the angel Gabriel ate 5,347 tomatoes at 3:30 PM and, wearing a green suit, hopped 27 times on his left leg, and Mohamed, PBUH, swallowed a walnut. As you know the Big Bang Theory is a corollary of Evolution, and Darwin wore pink bandanas. Therefore, the periodic table, and logarithmic tables, and the tabula rasa that Schopenhauer and Kant used to play billiards on, are clear proof that the Quran truly has in it the outline of science, and morality, and ethics, and psychohistory.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

You do not rush. I advise you to be cool. I do not intend to disrespect or be rude to any of you. And I love you all. You do not know that I love you. And I love you. My reason is that you are active in the field of science - technology - civilization and culture. And I respect all that. And I'm interested in you. According to me, my beliefs and religion do not put a distance between us. I do not feel distant from any nation.

Meaningless gibberish. Deal with what I have said please.

The quran instructs you to kill me because I am a non believer. Do you agree with this commandment?

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Hi. God is not what you portray. There is no need to do this. He is the kindest - the most knowledgeable - the most powerful. At 10 to the power of minus 43 seconds, it expanded the universe. It can also collect the universe. And return. Do not worry God.

According to your holy book God is a petty, jealous bloodthirsty monster.

 

[Scorpion]

Only 4 angels are mentioned in the Qur'an: Gabriel - Israfil - Michael - Azrael. These are the 4 angels close to God. And are in the unseen. But by the command of God, they fulfill their mission in the universe. No one knows the nature of these. And neither in appearance nor in gender. No information is available to humans. These are 4 exceptional angels of God. I and no one can say anything about them unless God has said their duty in the Qur'an. Gabriel was the agent of divine revelation. Note: Divine revelation was revealed by Gabriel to Muhammad and other prophets through the Karamchaleh channel. The wormhole is a singularity.
Because of this distance, it travels the entire universe in an instant. You have already said that it would take billions of light years if Gabriel brought the message of revelation. So it can only come once. No, this is not the case. Revelation is from the wormhole channel and according to the laws of singularity.

You would not be trying to blind us with science would you?

As it happens I am on speaking terms with what I believe was an angel of karma. Or at least it spoke to me. In 1998 I had no money and could not afford a computer, then a voice in my head said. " help is coming from an unexpected source ". I felt a presence when I picked the lottery numbers later that week, and it seemed to guide me to certain numbers. Then on the Saturday night one hour before the draw I picked up the ticket and said to myself, "maybe this ticket is worth a fortune" then I though "no " and threw it down. But at that moment the same voice, which was female said " You won". An hour later the draw was on and I won five numbers.
I believe it was an angel of karma that gave me the five numbers, because they wanted me to have a computer and get on the internet. It had to be an angel or a very high spirit because it had to be able to see into the future to get the numbers, and it had to have the authority to overrule the laws of karma, and give me the money as a special dispensation.

I believe only an angel could have done this, and that female voice only ever spoke to me twice. It has never spoken to me before or since.
I do not believe my departed relatives could have given me the numbers, because they are not evolved enough to see into the future. It must have been and angel, or a very highly evolved spirit.

The point of this is that they wanted me to have a computer so I could refute the Quran, and criticize it, and deny it is the words of God. So when you mess with me you are messing with an angel.

You may not believe what I have said, and you are not alone here because no one else does either. But it is all perfectly true, and I have told this story here many times.

 

[Scorpion]

By the command of God, Gabriel conveys the revelation through the wormhole. He was only in charge of conveying the message of God (revelation) to Muhammad. Muhammad was only in charge of conveying the message (revelation) to the people. Muhammad and Gabriel are only God's agents. They have no will of their own. They were only God's agents.

Like I have said before, in the bible the angel Gabriel only came to announce the coming of Jesus. The angel did not hang around dictating messages, either to John the Baptist or Jesus. The angel simply foretold their coming. The bible says that true messengers of God and the apostles did not have to get messages from angels, because the Holy Ghost was in them, and it spoke with their mouths.

Only a lying dirt bag like Muhammad would have thought up the idea of saying the angel Gabriel gave him messages. That is because he was a false prophet incapable of speaking truths by the power of the Holy Ghost.

 

[Mojo]

This is what Professor Hawking says:
"So far we have realized that the whole universe is made up of the four basic laws of physics. We do not need to think any more. We do not need to seek God. And we do not need to understand how man was created," says Professor Hawking.

Do you have a citation for Hawking saying that?

 

[Mojo]

Only a lying dirt bag like Muhammad would have thought up the idea of saying the angel Gabriel gave him messages. That is because he was a false prophet incapable of speaking truths by the power of the Holy Ghost.

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

And surely Muhammad could not have told us that Jesus was "just another prophet" when the Holy Bible tells us He was the Messiah and God Himself?

 

[IanS]

Hello. You seem to have forgotten. I said: The angel as a figure or a beautiful woman or whatever some people imagine. It is nothing but superstition. I do not accept. The Qur'an is not acceptable. Angels are the forces and energies that arose in the "Planck range." And are transformed together with matter. In Planck's time there was no matter and no material determination. It was "none". After the Big Bang and in the Planck range, which is about 10 to the power of minus 43. Everything has come into being. And the universe has expanded. There is no angel in the Qur'an at all as a human being or whatever you imagine. They are just forces and energies. The word angel is for people to understand 14 centuries ago. Not for my time and yours. pay attention.
My religious beliefs are quite clear. You are biased in hearing it. Your problem. Not me. By the way, I will still tell you the basics in response. So read on. And be patient. Thank you

Well, first of all - everyone here has been far, FAR too patient with you for a very long time now.

You are now claiming that "Angels" in the Koran means "forces and energies" (you mean subatomic forces? ... or what; gravity, electromagnetism?) ... there is not a single word about any of that in your Koran ... you are inventing it as a religious belief that you call "interpretation" ...

... why do you need to "interpret" the Koran? The words of the Koran are clear enough and we can all read what it says! If your God wanted to describe atomic forces or gravity etc. then he could have done that in just a few very simple short clear sentences! Why didn't he do that? Why is that not in the Koran? ...

... I think you previously claimed that people would not have understood it 1500 years ago, but that is clearly again untrue nonsense from you, because he could have written something as simple as saying "everything is really composed of tiny particles which are too small for our eyes to see, and those particles stick together because they have forces of attraction amongst them"; when we have millions of those small particles sticking together it makes an object that we can see such as a grain of sand or a small piece of stone or wood" ...

... why doesn't the Koran EVER say anything like that?

OK, well we all know the real answer to why the Koran never explains any such thing, And that real true answer is that what you and your "scholars of religious belief" actually mean when you claim "interpretation", is that you have simply invented some new belief that is certainly NOT in the Koran ... what you mean by your "interpretation" is that you are simply going to "make up" untrue stories about your "holy" book.

And – are we now up to 11 times of asking you to answer the very simple questions that I asked you weeks ago and which are crucial to any question of whether your Koran and your God is true or false? … and for which you are completely incapable of any answer!

 

[abaddon]

By the command of God, Gabriel conveys the revelation through the wormhole. He was only in charge of conveying the message of God (revelation) to Muhammad. Muhammad was only in charge of conveying the message (revelation) to the people. Muhammad and Gabriel are only God's agents. They have no will of their own. They were only God's agents.

But you said angels are fundamental forces and/or fundamental particles. Now you want an angel to be a personification of "gods" will.

Can't have it both ways.

ETA: Where in the quran is the neutrino described? Or the Muon?