The supernatural

[MarkCorrigan]

It isn't the actions of some Muslims that I am talking about, it's the actual language of the book itself.



Kill the unbelievers.


Disbelievers are wrong doers simply for not believing.



Don't be friends with a non believer because they want to drag you to non belief. If they convert to Islam then that's fine but if they don't or if they go back to non belief kill them. All of them.


The greatest evil possible? No, not murder or rape or genocide. Rejection of Islam.



Non Muslims are evil.

This is not even a majority of the horrible intolerance and viciousness in the Quran. It's a handful of the literally hundreds of passages that preach supremacism and cruelty.

Only for Muslims. Doesn't matter how good a person you are if you are not a muslim you will burn in hell for eternity, to say nothing of the many, many places that book says that we as non believers should be degraded, treated harshly and killed.


Not what your holy book says. Your holy book says that if you aren't a Muslim you burn in hell. Doesn't matter how good you are.


Evidence for this please. I don't believe in heaven or hell. I think they are entirely fictional, but I'm willing to be convinced if you have some evidence for them.



A lot of people do it because they follow whatever "holy" book they were brought up to believe. Much of the Middle Eastern conflict has been fuelled by the fact that the Quran repeatedly describes the Jews as evil.

That sounds nice, but your book commands you to kill non believers. How can you say that you want to create a paradise on this world when your own book that is supposed to be the direct word of god commands you to kill people like me?

You never adequately responded to this post Heydarian, in which I attempted to discuss "the Quran itself" with you and you just ignored me,

 

[heydarian saeed]

The above is supposed to be a reply to the fact that I and everyone else here has explained to you 50 times or more why the Koran definitely does NOT describe any modern science (e.g. science from the 19th to 21st century). And yet your reply says absolutely NOTHING about where the Koran says a single word from modern science!

You must have repeated huge great word-masses like the above 50 times or more already. And still you cannot show any honest sentence in the Koran that says anything at all about modern science.

You are relying entirely on people you call “religious scholars of Islam” who tell you they have made what they call “interpretations” … but their “interpretations” are simply and purely religious beliefs … beliefs for which they can show zero evidence … they have no evidence at all that any such interpretations actually describe any modern scientific discoveries. You are relying entirely on “Belief”! …

… you are relying upon your own belief in God, and then further relying on your religious “interpretations” where the scholars are using only their faith-belief to claim “interpretations”!! … when asked for genuine honest evidence all you do is mount more beliefs on top of more beliefs on top of more faith from religion.

And by the way, if I remind you here again that you have still not answered the 3 or 4 very basic questions that I asked you a week ago, then that will be the 7th time I have asked you!!

Yes, we believe that: The Qur'an is scientific. And in similar verses it is said symbolically. Of course, imitation beliefs are simply false. I do not believe in imitation. And I do not accept this kind of belief.
You are right because most Muslims believe in imitation. And this is a big mistake. And is rejected. Please do not see me from that group of Muslims.

 

[heydarian saeed]

Please read:
God also says in different words in the Qur'an: See only the signs and symptoms of my existence in the universe. Do not follow my nature. No one will ever be able to understand my nature and what I am. I thought again. I saw: So everything that is other than God must be in the universe and matter. And I came to the conclusion that; Yes. It is. The soul - the angels - the devil - the demons and everything we have heard is material only in this world. They are made of matter - energy and force. I looked for the nature and what these are in the Qur'an. The Qur'an introduced these to me.
Angels are "laws of nature" according to the first verse of Surah 35. Which rule the material world system. And together they form the order of creation and nature. It is the command of God. And differs from the message embedded in the article. God manages the material world by His command. Creation and matter are inseparable. This, which is the main factor in the order of the material world in solids, is the soul in living beings. The soul is the command of God. It is mentioned in verse 85 of Sura 17. It is present in all manifestations of matter. And the separate soul is placed only in living beings.
That God is everywhere. And manages all the reactions of life in the form of chemical and physical reactions. And in man, God is closer to him than the jugular vein. It indicates that the soul is located somewhere in the body of living beings. Which monitors the vital developments of living things. And it regularly sends the information to everyone's data hard drive. "In fact, it is the presence of the soul in living things in their genomes." By His command, God conquers the whole material world. That is, it has its management and order in its hands. And matter is separate from creation. And without it the material world does not survive.
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[heydarian saeed]

... Angels are the agents of the laws of nature. These are the four principles of physics. It is stated exactly in verse 1 of Sura 35. Note the translation: " Thanks be to God, who opened the universe, expanded it, and placed the angels in it as God's message or command. Russell means messages and has nothing to do with man or the prophet. It is energy and strength. The wings have been shown solely to give a sense of proportion. And on the wing there are two components of force and energy that drive the flight, this force we create with the engine. And for example, the plane moves. The elementary particles are given to matter by the laws of communication, which are angels. " And quarks and leptons start making protons and neutrons with the help of bosons.
It does not mean angels. This is a superstition. Rather, angels are the four forces of physics. In the Qur'an, in order for people to understand the superstitions of the seventh century, it is introduced by angels with two wings or three wings and four wings. But in fact he means the four laws of physics that made the universe.
And the creation of the universe begins. The main factor in the consistency and stability of the fundamental particles are energy and strength. Which provide the basic laws of physics to matter. These forces are dual, triple, and quadruple. And physics has reached the four laws of physics. Strong nuclear forces, weak nuclear forces, electromagnetism and gravity. Scientists have discovered only matter and energy in the universe, which make up a very small percentage of our material world. We have dark matter and the dark energy that scientists are trying to discover. The universe is created in six short periods. Angels are made of force.
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[heydarian saeed]

... Force is not separate from energy, and energy is the agent of force, and matter is inextricably linked with energy. According to the Qur'an, angels are a wide range of natural objects that are located in inanimate objects and living beings as the message of God. As mentioned earlier, angels operate in a wide range as God's command in the material world.
In verse 27 of Sura 53, about the wrong mentality, some people think that they are angels. And they know them as women. Explicitly reminds them of their mistakes. Meaning of the verse: Those who do not believe in the Hereafter. Angels have been named women. They use a word that evokes being a woman. And unfortunately, despite banning the use of the word angel instead of angels in all interpretations, they use the word angel. They do not know this. And follow their own mental imaginations. And they say superstitions. In fact, mental imagery is of no use in achieving the truth. (Or does not go anywhere)
Therefore, mental imaginations or fantasies that are not based on science are not the right choice to reach the facts.
I hope you have understood that I believe that: angels are the forces and energies of nature. I do not believe in fantasies and fantasies. I think realistically.

 

[heydarian saeed]

Quran Surah 35.1 says angels have wings, two, three, or four pairs.

The spirit world teaches that angels are a separate species from us who never incarnate. They do not have wings, they travel instantly to wherever they want to go by willing it.

Please read my 1824 message carefully.

 

[heydarian saeed]

Our problem is not paying attention to the text of the Quran. He said that similar verses Appearance. And has an the true interior. And if we only interpret the appearance of the verse, it will mislead us in the meanings of the verses. Suspicion arises. And there is disagreement and deviation in the meanings of the verses. Therefore, similar verses that have symbolic meanings must be carefully decoded. Like verse 1 of Sura 35. Angels have a symbolic meaning. An angel who is a beautiful woman does not mean this word in this verse. Rather, it means energy and forces. The four laws of physics. Which creates the order of the universe. Deciphering this symbolic verse is what I said. And it has no contradiction with science. And it is a scientific matter.
which I explained in previous messages.

 

[heydarian saeed]

You never adequately responded to this post Heydarian, in which I attempted to discuss "the Quran itself" with you and you just ignored me,

No. This is not the case. Killing is not for your unbelief. And this is nothing but a lie. I have already said that what is the cause of wars between human beings? Also, the nature and quality of divine punishment is not what you think. No. I tell you. wait.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

No. This is not the case. Killing is not for your unbelief. And this is nothing but a lie. I have already said that what is the cause of wars between human beings? Also, the nature and quality of divine punishment is not what you think. No. I tell you. wait.

I have given you the direct text of the Quran that says that you should kill people like me. It's the text of your holy book Heydarian! You don't just get to claim I'm lying when I've provided the proof. Deal with the quoted Surahs and stop being rude.

 

[Scorpion]

Hello. I respect your opinion. But you did not say what is the sex of the soul? What will be the final destiny of the soul? Are they just eternal ghosts?What happens to the human body? where is she going? Where is the eternal world of spirits? In this world? Is this the material world?
Please tell me. I want to hear your opinion.

The soul is asexual, it has no sex. Sex is a function of the animal body and is for reproduction. Spirits cannot reproduce, they are immortal beings breathed out of God.
The final destiny of the soul may be to merge back into the God head.
In the mean time we live in the spirit body, which resembles the physical body of our last incarnation, except it is perfect.
There are many planes of existence for the spirit, and it is all around us, but invisible to normal people.
The physical body just dies and returns to dust, but the spirit or soul flies free.
The material world is the lowest plane of existence and it is a realm of experience. It is ruled by the laws of karma and reincarnation.

 

[Scorpion]

Our problem is not paying attention to the text of the Quran. He said that similar verses Appearance. And has an the true interior. And if we only interpret the appearance of the verse, it will mislead us in the meanings of the verses. Suspicion arises. And there is disagreement and deviation in the meanings of the verses. Therefore, similar verses that have symbolic meanings must be carefully decoded. Like verse 1 of Sura 35. Angels have a symbolic meaning. An angel who is a beautiful woman does not mean this word in this verse. Rather, it means energy and forces. The four laws of physics. Which creates the order of the universe. Deciphering this symbolic verse is what I said. And it has no contradiction with science. And it is a scientific matter.
which I explained in previous messages.

As far as I am concerned you have over complicated and misinterpreted simplistic verses that mean nothing more than they say.

 

[Lothian]

Our problem is not paying attention to the text of the Quran. .

My problem is getting text from the Quran. I have asked for passages that list and explain the fundamental particles. So far there has been a wall of text about how great the Quran is, interpretation of what the Quran means and even bits of science but nothing from the Quran itself.

At least with blood you admit that God was oblivious to the fact that it was not a simple liquid but made up of several different components.

 

[Tassman]

Do not hurry. I will tell you things that are completely up to date. And in the Qur'an in the 14th century God has said. Humans did not understand 14 centuries ago. But we claim science and technology and progress. So we need to understand what he said.Do you agree with the decoding?
wait.

NO. What I “agree with” is what I stated. Namely, the rationalization and re-interpretation of ancient ‘holy texts’ to make them seem to be saying what they are not – given that they arose in a pre-scientific era. The holy texts of the great religions are NOT based on observation and tested scientific research. They are based upon authority and ‘revelation.’ It was all they had, which is why today they have been superseded and rendered irrelevant – except perhaps as poetry.

 

[Scorpion]

Our problem is not paying attention to the text of the Quran. He said that similar verses Appearance. And has an the true interior. And if we only interpret the appearance of the verse, it will mislead us in the meanings of the verses. Suspicion arises. And there is disagreement and deviation in the meanings of the verses. Therefore, similar verses that have symbolic meanings must be carefully decoded. Like verse 1 of Sura 35. Angels have a symbolic meaning. An angel who is a beautiful woman does not mean this word in this verse. Rather, it means energy and forces. The four laws of physics. Which creates the order of the universe. Deciphering this symbolic verse is what I said. And it has no contradiction with science. And it is a scientific matter.
which I explained in previous messages.

Are you saying angels in the Quran are not real, but are symbols of energy? Because if you claim that you have to account for the fact Muhammad said the angel Gabriel dictated the Quran to him.

 

[IanS]

1 Hi. OK. I will tell you the scientific dimension of the Qur'an.
2. Do not forget that: The Qur'an is not a scientific encyclopedia.
3. And he has mentioned science in similar verses which are multidimensional. And left the details to us. I look at the Qur'an with this approach and thinking.

4. Because it has been said for humans for 14 centuries.[Who had no science.
5. But because the book of the Qur'an is a guide. Its content should be up-to-date for me, who believes in it. And the content is up to date. And must be discovered. And I will tell you my discoveries from the Qur'an.

Re. 1 - you cannot "tell tell the scientific dimension of the Qur'an"!! You can only tell us what you BELIVIEVE to be a scientific dimension of the Koran ... you are just preaching a religious belief to us!

Re. 2 - oh, well everyone here knows very well that "The Qur'an is not a scientific encyclopedia" .... you do not need to tell any of us here that the Koran contains no understanding of modern science - we have all been telling you that for the last x hundred posts or however long this thread is now! It is YOU who believes the so called" Islamic Scholars" who have insisted to you that perfectly ordinary words like Sun, Moon, Sky actually mean that Mohamed told everyone about quantum physics!

Re. 3 - verses in a book cannot be "multi-dimensional" or "dimensional" at all ... the words are just human writing with ancient ink on papyrus, and now printed in modern "holy books" ... the words & writing have no "dimension" ... when you describe the words as having a dimension, what you really mean is that you are INTERPRETING the sentences to mean something else very different from what the simple ancient words actually do say! You are are INVENTING your own modern-day belief from words that never said any such thing! ... that is your "dimension", ie an invention by you and by the scholars who are claiming the I'Jaz "interpretations".

Re. 4 - Indeed, they certainly did not know any modern science when those people, ordinary men, wrote the Koran! And for that very reason, there is actually no mention of any modern scientific understanding or discovery anywhere in the Koran. You are believing the so-called "scholars" who claim to see words that are certainly not actually in the koran, when they make their I'Jaz claims to say sentences describe quantum cosmology and gene-evolution ... they are telling you their "belief", and you are copying their "beliefs", but they produce no evidence of any such words anywhere in the Koran ... So, Yes! - Indeed, those writers of the Koran "had no science" in 600AD, and that's why there is no science in what they wrote as their Koran! As for the so-called "scholars of Islam" ... what do you think they are "Scholars" of? ... they are certainly not scholars of modern science in Evolution, Quantum Theory, or Cosmological Space research, or any other part of serious science! ... they are only "scholars" of religious faith-beliefs ... their time studying anything has all been spent constantly reading, praying and preaching from ancient holy books written by people who were completely ignorant of modern science, medicine, history, psychology etc., and who just like all the hundreds of other religions, they were simply writing & preaching their ancient religious superstitions about gods and devils etc.

Re 5. When you say that your Koran must now be made "up to date", what you really mean is that you must claim to change it's meaning, so that you can claim that it contains "facts" of modern science where it actually never said any such thing! That is a blatant attempt at lying by the believers from I'Jazz and the Islamic faith ... you are claiming that the Koran contains words and explanations which are certainly not actually there at all ... and doing that deliberately; and that is certainly an act of deception and lying (apparently in order to keep your ancient miracle beliefs alive).


And yet again – this is the 8th time of reminding you that you have not answered any of the 3 or 4 simple basic questions I asked you long ago …. can we we now conclude that you are incapable of answering.

 

[IanS]

... Angels are the agents of the laws of nature. These are the four principles of physics. It is stated exactly in verse 1 of Sura 35. Note the translation: " Thanks be to God, who opened the universe, expanded it, and placed the angels in it as God's message or command.

Russell means messages and has nothing to do with man or the prophet. It is energy and strength. The wings have been shown solely to give a sense of proportion. And on the wing there are two components of force and energy that drive the flight, this force we create with the engine. And for example, the plane moves. The elementary particles are given to matter by the laws of communication, which are angels. " And quarks and leptons start making protons and neutrons with the help of bosons.
It does not mean angels. This is a superstition. Rather, angels are the four forces of physics. In the Qur'an, in order for people to understand the superstitions of the seventh century, it is introduced by angels with two wings or three wings and four wings. But in fact he means the four laws of physics that made the universe.
And the creation of the universe begins. The main factor in the consistency and stability of the fundamental particles are energy and strength. Which provide the basic laws of physics to matter. These forces are dual, triple, and quadruple. And physics has reached the four laws of physics. Strong nuclear forces, weak nuclear forces, electromagnetism and gravity. Scientists have discovered only matter and energy in the universe, which make up a very small percentage of our material world. We have dark matter and the dark energy that scientists are trying to discover. The universe is created in six short periods. Angels are made of force....

Neither I or anyone else should read any more garbage like the above. Where you are now apparently claiming that “angels” exist (what utter childish nonsense), and you appear to be claiming that your “modern interpretation” shows that they are areoplanes! Although you also say that they live (they are alive??) inside people and inside inanmate objects such as a biscuit tin!

And by the way, you do not understand science at all, you appear to be totally ignorant about it when you write things such as that last highlight " Scientists have discovered only matter and energy in the universe, which make up a very small percentage of our material world. " …. everything in the entire universe appears to consist only of energy forces in various forms, one condensed form of which is what we call ”matter” (or often “solid matter”), where that word and concept “solid ...matter” is ancient, ie it's just a descriptive word invented by people hundreds or thousands of years ago … what actually exists is only the forces (ie energy interactions) between what used to be called “particles”, but where we now know that the “particles” are actually different types of wave-disturbances in various energy fields that compose all of space (ie the entirety of this universe).

9th time now – why are you so completely incapable of answer the most basic and fundamental questions about your religious beliefs?

 

[heydarian saeed]

My problem is getting text from the Quran. I have asked for passages that list and explain the fundamental particles. So far there has been a wall of text about how great the Quran is, interpretation of what the Quran means and even bits of science but nothing from the Quran itself.

At least with blood you admit that God was oblivious to the fact that it was not a simple liquid but made up of several different components.

I have not forgotten your request. I am still making an introduction to tell you the basic particles in the Qur'an. Please wait and read the introductory speeches.
Thanks

 

[Filippo Lippi]

You'd think God wouldn't need to hide stuff so thoroughly. The point has been made before, but it just prompts more contortions

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[heydarian saeed]

Neither I or anyone else should read any more garbage like the above. Where you are now apparently claiming that “angels” exist (what utter childish nonsense), and you appear to be claiming that your “modern interpretation” shows that they are areoplanes! Although you also say that they live (they are alive??) inside people and inside inanmate objects such as a biscuit tin!

And by the way, you do not understand science at all, you appear to be totally ignorant about it when you write things such as that last highlight " Scientists have discovered only matter and energy in the universe, which make up a very small percentage of our material world. " …. everything in the entire universe appears to consist only of energy forces in various forms, one condensed form of which is what we call ”matter” (or often “solid matter”), where that word and concept “solid ...matter” is ancient, ie it's just a descriptive word invented by people hundreds or thousands of years ago … what actually exists is only the forces (ie energy interactions) between what used to be called “particles”, but where we now know that the “particles” are actually different types of wave-disturbances in various energy fields that compose all of space (ie the entirety of this universe).

9th time now – why are you so completely incapable of answer the most basic and fundamental questions about your religious beliefs?

Hello. You seem to have forgotten. I said: The angel as a figure or a beautiful woman or whatever some people imagine. It is nothing but superstition. I do not accept. The Qur'an is not acceptable. Angels are the forces and energies that arose in the "Planck range." And are transformed together with matter. In Planck's time there was no matter and no material determination. It was "none". After the Big Bang and in the Planck range, which is about 10 to the power of minus 43. Everything has come into being. And the universe has expanded. There is no angel in the Qur'an at all as a human being or whatever you imagine. They are just forces and energies. The word angel is for people to understand 14 centuries ago. Not for my time and yours. pay attention.
My religious beliefs are quite clear. You are biased in hearing it. Your problem. Not me. By the way, I will still tell you the basics in response. So read on. And be patient. Thank you

 

[heydarian saeed]

You'd think God wouldn't need to hide stuff so thoroughly. The point has been made before, but it just prompts more contortions

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please be patient. I am with you.