Cont: Jogging in Georgia while black - The Trial

W.D.Clinger said:
Where I have lived, serious runners tend to distinguish jogging from running. Going substantially slower than your marathon pace is jogging. As a rule, marathon pace or faster is referred to as running.

The Wikipedia article on Mary Decker Slaney attributes this factoid to a 2010 article in Sports Illustrated:

Having run with Slaney on a few occasions in the early 1990s, I suspect her jogging pace, even today, is between 8 and 10 minutes per mile.
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I am a sometime, so not serious, runner, and I rarely talk about "jogging." Training pace is a run. 5K pace is a hard run. Marathon pace is a long run. Jogging? When I slow to the point where it's not effort. I find it generally boring.
 
pgwenthold said:
I am a sometime, so not serious, runner, and I rarely talk about "jogging." Training pace is a run. 5K pace is a hard run. Marathon pace is a long run. Jogging? When I slow to the point where it's not effort. I find it generally boring.
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What you have written here is consistent with my suggestion that serious runners refer to "marathon pace or faster" as running, reserving the word "jogging" for "substantially slower than your marathon pace".

As for why that has anything at all to do with this thread: Different runners run marathons at different paces, so what counts as "substantially slower" than marathon pace is different for different runners. That suggests their definitions of "jogging" (if they use the word at all, but that word is part of the vocabulary understood by most runners I know) will be different as well. Which is why arguments in this thread about whether someone was running or jogging are pretty silly unless we know how slow the pace would have to be for that person to become bored with the exercise—and the arguments would be silly even then, because every argument I've seen in this thread that has anything to do with how fast someone was running has been pretty silly regardless of how fast they were running.
 
Among the people I associate with:

"Running" is used by people who do it, who do some 5k's and the occasional longer race. Also used by people who might not run but closely associate with those who do and who are supportive of it.

"Jogging" is used by those who don't do it and are possibly disparaging of those who do.

"Running" is cool.
"Jogging" is not cool.
 
Mary Slaney, interviewed in 2016 by Athletics Weekly:
Mary Slaney said:
“Before I discovered the elliptical bike I was at a point where I was able to go out jogging,” she says, looking back to 2012, when she was introduced to an outdoor elliptical bike called an ElliptiGO. “But I hate jogging. I really hate it. Shuffling along at seven or eight-minute mile pace is not satisfying. But that’s all I could do because I could not get up on my toes any more when I ran."
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Mary Slaney uses the word "jogging" to mean "Shuffling along at seven or eight-minute mile pace."

In her prime, she “rarely ran slower than six-minute pace so it was always good quality training.” That was running.
 
W.D.Clinger said:
Mary Slaney, interviewed in 2016 by Athletics Weekly:

Mary Slaney uses the word "jogging" to mean "Shuffling along at seven or eight-minute mile pace."

In her prime, she “rarely ran slower than six-minute pace so it was always good quality training.” That was running.
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I know exactly what she is saying. Except add about 3 - 4 minutes for me....

Like I said, jogging is boring. "Shuffling along...." is a good description.

And the point to be reiterated is, "jogging" is a relative term. Mary Slaney's jogging, probably even now well past her prime, is faster than my running, so whether we say Aubery was "jogging" or "running" or how fast he was going is completely irrelevant to anything.
 
If this case hinges upon the difference between "running" and "jogging," then the defendants are gonna walk.
 
pgwenthold said:
And the point to be reiterated is, "jogging" is a relative term. Mary Slaney's jogging, probably even now well past her prime, is faster than my running, so whether we say Aubery was "jogging" or "running" or how fast he was going is completely irrelevant to anything.
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Exactly.

I Am The Scum said:
If this case hinges upon the difference between "running" and "jogging," then the defendants are gonna walk.
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crescent said:
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"Running" is cool.
"Jogging" is not cool.
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As someone who doesn't do either (God gave us wheels for a reason) I have never seen much of a distinction between the two words. But if pressed, I might see "running" as an organized sports activity, like entering a race, and "jogging" as something you do for exercise before breakfast. Nothing pejorative about either one.

And nothing Arbery should have been killed for.
 
Bob001 said:
As someone who doesn't do either (God gave us wheels for a reason) I have never seen much of a distinction between the two words. But if pressed, I might see "running" as an organized sports activity, like entering a race, and "jogging" as something you do for exercise before breakfast. Nothing pejorative about either one.

And nothing Arbery should have been killed for.
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Criminals run away. The only criminal known to jog away from his crime is Kyle Rittenhouse. And OJ pulled the driving equivalent of a jog, I suppose.
 
I listened to the testimony from Travis. I think he did well under direct. It seemed a bit rehearsed, but that is typical. Under cross, I find a lot of problems. I think he knew that he was having problems as well. There are conflicts in his testimony both with his intentions and with the facts. I don't have time now, I will try to address those concerns this weekend.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Fine he as ******* trotting. Or maybe sauntering. Ambling perhaps.

Who cares?
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You know very well that if he couldn’t run faster than Bolt then he wasn’t trying hard enough to escape so it’s his fault he ran in front of bullets.
 
Thermal said:
Criminals run away. The only criminal known to jog away from his crime is Kyle Rittenhouse. And OJ pulled the driving equivalent of a jog, I suppose.
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Criminals in the actual real world do any number of things. Just as non-criminals do.
 
Both sides have rested. Today is all "perfecting the record".

The prosecution really, really ****** up yesterday. The defense brought in a useless witness, more just to say that there has been crime in the area, nothing more. For some reason the prosecution asked her if she thought stealing was worthy of the death penalty. Obvious chaos ensued with multiple objections, and calls for a mistrial. The judge was even a bit curious. They didn't mistrial, they ended up chastising the prosecution and the judge addressed it with the jury. I have no idea why she would do something so stupid, it makes no sense to me. She's lucky it didn't **** up the case.

Closing arguments, jury instruction and deliberation starting Monday. I don't see it taking too long. The defense didn't put up much of a fight.

There were 3 things that were requested to get put back in so the defense could address them. Arbery's mental health, that he was on probation at the time, and now I can't remember the 3rd. All were denied.
 
Cainkane1 said:
Did they shoot him because he was black or did they shoot him because they thought he was a thief making a run for it?
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As you go on to say, it wouldn't matter either way. However, he wasn't a thief. He hadn't taken anything from anywhere, and there's no evidence that exists to say that he did\has.

Cainkane1 said:
either way they had no right to shoot him and I deplore their actions. I also hope the shooters get punished to the full extent of the law.
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They will definitely will be going to prison. I expect the jury to take the same amount of time as in the George Floyd case.
 
Did ass wipe's attorney do a practice cross with him? That was awful. I mean at best they would have been polishing **** but they could have tried to mitigate the damage. The defense would have been better off if they didn't put him on the stand at all. The prosecutor got idiot boy to admit that Aubry wasn't a threat until they tried to unlawfully detain him. This guy deserves the needle just for his own stupidity.
 
I Am The Scum said:
Was he secretly a black pastor?
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Yeah, Roddie's attorney is really, really hung up on those black pastors. He even, wrongfully, announced the MLK jr. was in the gallery. It wasn't, it was MLK the IV I believe, but he's really hung up on it. It's been getting on the nerves of the judge the whole time. Roddie's judge also gives updates on what kinds of signs are out front, and what chants are going on as well.
 
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