The Marjorie Taylor Greene thread.

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Yes, it is getting crazy, beyond crazy.


California congressman Ted Lieu -- a Democrat and a colonel in the US Air Force Reserve -- said the anime video, created by Gosar's staff, showing Gosar killing Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was sick. "In any workplace in America, if a coworker made an anime video killing another coworker, that person would be fired."

Please don't insult the Crazy people by comparing us with Republicans Like MTG and the GQP.

 

[Stacyhs]

Even Gosar's own family thinks he's nuts.

"I have proximity to this sociopath who has been elected from a very gerrymandered district. There is no other way that someone like Paul wins. Without that he is incompetent. It is obvious," Jennifer Gosar said Tuesday on CNN.

(CNN)

Rep. Paul Gosar’s (R-Ariz.) brothers on Thursday apologized "on behalf of the actual sane members" of the Gosar family for the Arizona Republican's false claims about the deadly attack on the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6.

“And on behalf of the actual sane members of our family — which is everyone but Paul — we apologize on behalf of our family to him for [Gosar’s] despicable comments and disgraceful conduct through this whole incident,” he said.

Adding to David Gosar’s remarks, Tim Gosar said that it’s hard to “get back to truth” once you’ve become a “pathological liar.”

“Once you lose your focus on the truth, once you become someone that peddles in lies, once you become basically a snake-oil salesman ... the truth is a very slippery thing to get your arms around," he said. "It’s really hard to go back to the truth once you’ve become a pathological liar like Paul has become.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/...half-of-the-actual-sane-members-of-our-family

 

[Craig4]

Even Gosar's own family thinks he's nuts.

(CNN)



https://thehill.com/homenews/house/...half-of-the-actual-sane-members-of-our-family

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics...ituents-aoc-video-reaction-kaye-ac360-vpx.cnn

The scum who voted for the bastard don't seem to mind all that much. Even the ones who pretended to disprove of the video intend to vote for that thing.

 

[newyorkguy]

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics...ituents-aoc-video-reaction-kaye-ac360-vpx.cnn

The scum who voted for the bastard don't seem to mind all that much...

To me this is the real problem, that in 2020 278,000 people voted for Paul Gosar in Arizona’s 4th Congressional District election, a suburban area north of Phoenix. Despite Gosar's own family members endorsing his opponent, labeling him a pathological liar and a sociopath. There are many pathological liars and sociopaths out there, but few hold elected political office. Someone like Gosar is only possible if Americans support them and over a quarter-million people voted for Gosar in 2020. The election wasn't even close, Gosar won by a landslide with almost 70% of the vote.

 

[Lurch]

To me this is the real problem, that in 2020 278,000 people voted for Paul Gosar in Arizona’s 4th Congressional District election, a suburban area north of Phoenix. Despite Gosar's own family members endorsing his opponent, labeling him a pathological liar and a sociopath. There are many pathological liars and sociopaths out there, but few hold elected political office. Someone like Gosar is only possible if Americans support them and over a quarter-million people voted for Gosar in 2020. The election wasn't even close, Gosar won by a landslide with almost 70% of the vote.

Which is a good part of the reason why I'm becoming despondent over America's chances at holding on to democracy.

 

[slyjoe]

To me this is the real problem, that in 2020 278,000 people voted for Paul Gosar in Arizona’s 4th Congressional District election, a suburban area north of Phoenix. Despite Gosar's own family members endorsing his opponent, labeling him a pathological liar and a sociopath. There are many pathological liars and sociopaths out there, but few hold elected political office. Someone like Gosar is only possible if Americans support them and over a quarter-million people voted for Gosar in 2020. The election wasn't even close, Gosar won by a landslide with almost 70% of the vote.

Just as a nit, the 4th district in AZ is not really suburban. A whole lot of rural - it's really big.

 

[newyorkguy]

Which is a good part of the reason why I'm becoming despondent over America's chances at holding on to democracy.

You and me both. It's scary to think about what the future may hold. As I mentioned in a previous post in another thread, the clock is ticking, demographers say by 2045 White Americans will be a minority. That reality is undoubtedly driving a lot of the extremism within the Republican Party. I think becoming a racial minority within the United States is terrifying to these people. That fear allows them to rationalize all kinds of things that were unthinkable just a few short years ago. Allows them to embrace people like Marjorie Taylor Green and Paul Gosar.

You often see the comment, not here but on right-wing forums, 'The system is so bad maybe it is better to destroy it. Then we start all over.' They've even reached the point where they can rationalize destroying our democracy.

 

[The Don]

You and me both. It's scary to think about what the future may hold. As I mentioned in a previous post in another thread, the clock is ticking, demographers say by 2045 White Americans will be a minority. That reality is undoubtedly driving a lot of the extremism within the Republican Party. I think becoming a racial minority within the United States is terrifying to these people. That fear allows them to rationalize all kinds of things that were unthinkable just a few short years ago. Allows them to embrace people like Marjorie Taylor Green and Paul Gosar.

You often see the comment, not here but on right-wing forums, 'The system is so bad maybe it is better to destroy it. Then we start all over.' They've even reached the point where they can rationalize destroying our democracy.

It's shocking to me how quickly this has become GOP mainstream.

 

[Stacyhs]

Just as a nit, the 4th district in AZ is not really suburban. A whole lot of rural - it's really big.

The 4th District is where they send all the people who fail the "walk and chew gum at the same time" test.

 

[newyorkguy]

According to WJCL, an ABC affiliated digital TV station in Savannah, Georgia, Greene told a crowd at a Town Hall meeting Tuesday night in her district that she has never been vaccinated against Covid-19.

Georgia GOP Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene revealed her COVID vaccine status in a town hall meeting Tuesday night. "I'm not vaccinated," Greene said, "but I strongly support your freedom to make your own medical decisions on behalf of yourself and your family, of course being informed by everything you read and talking to your doctor." WJCL link

She also stated she's been fined close to $60,000 by the Congressional sergeant-at-arms for refusing to wear a face mask on the floor of Congress. Greene was issued a warning in May, ignored it, was then fined $500 for the first offense and then $2,500 for each additional offense.

Rep. Majorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) said Tuesday she has accrued more than $60,000 in fines for refusing to wear a mask on the House floor. She told The Hill on the steps of the Capitol that she’s “up to $63,000.” The representative also confirmed the fines are automatically deducted from her checks. Vice News calculated that means Greene has forfeited more than a third of her yearly salary. Daily Beast

 

[Stacyhs]

According to WJCL, an ABC affiliated digital TV station in Savannah, Georgia, Greene told a crowd at a Town Hall meeting Tuesday night in her district that she has never been vaccinated against Covid-19.


She also stated she's been fined close to $60,000 by the Congressional sergeant-at-arms for refusing to wear a face mask on the floor of Congress. Greene was issued a warning in May, ignored it, was then fined $500 for the first offense and then $2,500 for each additional offense.

So she needs to have her wages garnished. Leveling fines with no consequence when they aren't paid isn't an option for most people. Why her?

 

[newyorkguy]

I'm not sure I would describe Congress deducting fines from members' pay checks as a garnishment of wages. That seems to be more a process when a third party gets a court order after the debtor fails to pay by an agreed date. In this case, Marj doesn't 'fail to pay,' she doesn't have the chance to stiff Congress. The fines are direct-deducted from her pay check. She never sees it or has the chance to refuse to pay. Which she would do, I'm certain, if she could.

But in this year alone she's raised $6.7 million from her 'supporters' so sixty Gs is chump change for her. Especially when, not wearing the mask on the floor of Congress undoubtedly stokes her cash-donating fans.

 

[llwyd]

Which is a good part of the reason why I'm becoming despondent over America's chances at holding on to democracy.

Unless 2024 is a landslide it might be an actual coup: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/nov/14/trump-president-2024-election-coup-republicans

Red state key election officials are being systematically purged and replaced by the crazies.

 

[BobTheCoward]

Unless 2024 is a landslide it might be an actual coup: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/nov/14/trump-president-2024-election-coup-republicans

Red state key election officials are being systematically purged and replaced by the crazies.

A coup is an illegal seizure of power. You may not like that the US election system has a lot of discretion, but it does.

 

[llwyd]

A coup is an illegal seizure of power. You may not like that the US election system has a lot of discretion, but it does.

Well, illegal seizure of power by falsifying the election results? That's what they are gearing up to do. I don't much care what you call it but "coup" seems rather an accurate term.

 

[The Don]

Well, illegal seizure of power by falsifying the election results? That's what they are gearing up to do. I don't much care what you call it but "coup" seems rather an accurate term.

The trouble is that the GOP is set up to seize power by legal means due to huge loopholes in election law which weren't closed because the expectation was that people would behave honourably - that expectation is false when it comes to the modern GOP

 

[Lurch]

It's worth remembering that herr Hitler was elected and bestowed the Chancellorship entirely legally.

 

[BobTheCoward]

Well, illegal seizure of power by falsifying the election results? That's what they are gearing up to do. I don't much care what you call it but "coup" seems rather an accurate term.

The article doesn't indicate that is the approach. It appears a SoS or some other election official would not certify the results because they think they are invalid. That wouldn't be falsifying.

 

[bruto]

The article doesn't indicate that is the approach. It appears a SoS or some other election official would not certify the results because they think they are invalid. That wouldn't be falsifying.

It would certainly be falsifying unless they have reasonable grounds for declaring them illegal. We can whistle and stop up our ears and pretend that these moves are legal because they are, technically, so far, but I think one would have to be wearing historical blinders to believe at this point that the intent is not, quite simply, to subvert democracy by falsifying election results.

 

[BobTheCoward]

It would certainly be falsifying unless they have reasonable grounds for declaring them illegal. We can whistle and stop up our ears and pretend that these moves are legal because they are, technically, so far, but I think one would have to be wearing historical blinders to believe at this point that the intent is not, quite simply, to subvert democracy by falsifying election results.

The belief that the results are fraudulent appears to be genuine.