The supernatural

[heydarian saeed]

Hello to all of you.
It was interesting to me that; I see that all your questions, objections and excuses have been raised in the Qur'an. And I answered you according to the verses of the Qur'an. These questions and ... the habit of infidels at all times. In the time of Muhammad, the infidels asked the same questions. And in the 21th century, infidels ask the same questions. You have not made any difference. You disbelievers. Everything is not just in the experimental sciences. Consider other sciences as well. And read. Get the minimum information. In your favor. And if not, you will suffer damage.
You are just trying to cover up the truth. And you use all possible ways to achieve this goal. You are sorely mistaken. And your efforts are in vain. I do not want to change your religion. I'm worried you will not be harmed. My education and specialty is just safety. I do care about safety and security in industry or in human society. I love all human beings. And I have nothing to do with nationality, religion or culture. I want the security and safety of all human beings. I hope you understand.
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[heydarian saeed]

... My article is all about the supernatural. And I have said everything from the Quranic source and various scientific sources. And I stand at its foot like a mountain. And I do not change my mind in the slightest. But the rest of what I said was just answering your many questions. And if not, I will not address these questions. Because the answer is quite clear to me. If you do not cover the truth. And be reasonable. And think wisely. Perhaps I can say that what you are saying about "God" is just a theory. Like thousands of other theories. But you do not speak logically. And you have no logical reason to talk about God. Therefore, your theory is completely rejected...

 

[heydarian saeed]

... You also left many of my questions unanswered. You can not prove to me that God does not exist with logic and rational sciences. Therefore, your words are rejected. You can not prove to me that human science and perception are material. Because science is not matter. You have not yet been able to prove otherwise to me. You have not been able to find that the Qur'an is a copy of ancient books. And you will not be able to.
You can not prove that Muhammad was not a prophet of God. You have not provided any scientific or historical evidence.
I have no prejudice. And I have always been up to date. And I would love to be with you. But you can not satisfy me with logical reasoning. Come whenever you can. tell me. I will investigate. If you are right. Rest assured that I accept your words...

 

[heydarian saeed]

...Google translation software has no particular problem. I translate your words many times. And I fully understand what you are saying. And I will translate your answer after a few times. And I will write to you with the least defects. And I'm sure you understand me quite well. The reason for these problems that you say is just to cover up the truth.
Let's be honest. I have said many times that you justify me logically and rationally so that I accept your words. But you still can not. Your efforts have been in vain. Because you can not. Or do not want to. Or you have a vain prejudice against you...

 

[heydarian saeed]

... If you were not even prejudiced, it might just be heard as a theory. Not more than this. I am ready to sacrifice my ideas. how about you? With logical and rational reasoning for me; Deny God - the Qur'an - Islam and Muhammad to accept. And I sacrifice all these ideas that I love. I'm serious. There is no pressure for me. I stand quite strong and steadfast. Please justify me.
. To be like you. And if you can not stop these useless thoughts. God does not need any of us. Be sure. Keep busy with your life and your knowledge. And make progress in every field. This is a great approach. And God loves it. You can not deny his existence. Be sure...

 

[heydarian saeed]

... I have told you before: If your words are true. And I will die and be annihilated. And the resurrection is a lie. I do no harm. And I'm not harmed. I'm just dying. But if my words are true for God and the resurrection is true. And you die. Rest assured that you will enter hell. Because you denied these. So think wisely.

 

[heydarian saeed]

Nobody here has "killed you & your family". Nobody here has "hit you or your friends".

Who here has ever hit you or your family? Just answer that please ..

You are here now openly claiming that God is right & good to slaughter people who have never done any harm to you. You are supporting the mass murder of people who simply do not believe in your God!

Probably misunderstood. I know you do not harm me or my family. My family and I love you as a human being just like any other human being. I meant that you deny God. And you ignore this fact. You deny the book of the Qur'an and its prophet Muhammad. So you deny the truth. And you are an infidel. God will punish you for this wrong thinking. And you will stay in hell forever. Just because of this completely wrong thinking.! Please think wisely. It is not hard to think wisely. Do you understand what I mean? Wishing you and your esteemed family good health.

 

[IanS]

... You also left many of my questions unanswered. You can not prove to me that God does not exist with logic and rational sciences. Therefore, your words are rejected.

OK, well we have slowly teased out the bottom-line fact that you are simply a denier of science.

You cannot accept the science because it shows that you are wrong to believe in gods and religious books. Evolution for example, shows that you are completely wrong.

It's the same story from fundamentalist Christians. They also are forced to deny science (otherwise their religion collapses).

I have no prejudice. And I have always been up to date. And I would love to be with you. But you can not satisfy me with logical reasoning. Come whenever you can. tell me. I will investigate. If you are right. Rest assured that I accept your words...

On the contrary, everything you say is drowning in 100% prejudice and blind religious faith.

You need to do the work to get yourself on a university science course in physics, chemisrtry or biology.

 

[Lothian]

... I have told you before: If your words are true. And I will die and be annihilated. And the resurrection is a lie. I do no harm. And I'm not harmed. I'm just dying. But if my words are true for God and the resurrection is true. And you die. Rest assured that you will enter hell. Because you denied these. So think wisely.

Hell is luxury. If you refuse to denounce your pathetic God and worship mine you will be forced after death to spend the rest of eternity watching 'Mrs Brown's boys'

 

[Foster Zygote]

Hell is luxury. If you refuse to denounce your pathetic God and worship mine you will be forced after death to spend the rest of eternity watching 'Mrs Brown's boys'

And if you're wrong, in my He'll you have to watch She's The Sheriff for eternity. And eternity has just been made 100 years longer

 

[Scorpion]

You yourself say that such a verse is in the Bible. Yeah. So why do you say your interpretation after this verse that it is not Muhammad and it is the Holy Spirit. We tell you to stop lying. It is not in your best interest to be harmed. I will explain to you. Listen carefully in this verse the Bible foretells the future. And he said that a prophet named Muhammad will surely come in the future. Of course, the Holy Spirit was also revealed to them in the time of Jesus and Moses. Please understand.

Once again you are utterly 100% wrong. The verse I quoted, John 14.16 refers to the holy Ghost not Muhammad. There is absolutely nothing in the bible about Muhammad.

 

[steenkh]

Originally, you claimed that you could prove your god’s existence in a lab, but of course you couldn’t, and you didn’t.

In fact, you have changed your claim to be that your god cannot be proven experimentally, or at all. You philosophical proof is mainly based on the existence of the soul which you also can’t prove.

You claim that everything in science can be found in your holy scriptures, but all you have shown us are cherry-picked quotes that could be found anywhere - if you are desperate enough.

Sorry, but have only come to preach, and you have nothing new.

 

[Scorpion]

You have not been able to find that the Qur'an is a copy of ancient books. And you will not be able to.
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I did exactly that in Post 1618 which is a detailed account of the story of Jesus brining a clay bird to life when he was a boy. I have supplied the references to this story which is stolen from a book of fables. This book of Jesus childhood is
know fiction. Yet there are two verses in the Quran about this story.

 

[Scorpion]

... I have told you before: If your words are true. And I will die and be annihilated. And the resurrection is a lie. I do no harm. And I'm not harmed. I'm just dying. But if my words are true for God and the resurrection is true. And you die. Rest assured that you will enter hell. Because you denied these. So think wisely.

The hell described in the Quran is not worthy of any kind of God. It would make him a deranged, sadistic monster.

I am probably the only other person on this thread other than you who believes in God. But the God I believe in does not burn his children in hell. If he did I would utterly despise him.

 

[Scorpion]

... I have told you before: If your words are true. And I will die and be annihilated. And the resurrection is a lie. I do no harm. And I'm not harmed. I'm just dying. But if my words are true for God and the resurrection is true. And you die. Rest assured that you will enter hell. Because you denied these. So think wisely.

You are not talking to an atheist when you talk to me, I have had a lot of psychic experience, and many messages from my dead relatives. I know what happens after death. We go to the spirit world, and to a plane of experience that the evolution of our soul equips us for. For unevolved souls that have done evil, they will go to the dark regions, until such time as they repent and seek progression. But they will not burn in any kind of hellfire. Good souls go to brighter realms and remain there until they realize they cannot spiritually evolve any higher without more experience so they choose to reincarnate again.

Let me tell you what the spirits say:

There is no Satan, there is no hellfire, there will be no judgement day. We will evolve over thousands of incarnations, on this and other planets.

Eventually we will complete our cycle of incarnations and achieve a state of grace, after which we will remain in the spirit world as immortal beings.

We are all one great spiritual family of souls, and we are the immortal children of God.

 

[IanS]

I have no prejudice. And I have always been up to date. And I would love to be with you. But you can not satisfy me with logical reasoning. Come whenever you can. tell me. I will investigate. If you are right. Rest assured that I accept your words...

I just gave you all of that and vastly more than mere so-called “logical reasoning” (see post 1639, just 24 hours ago!) …

… since you insist on asking for what you call “proof”, but where you call writing in the Koran “proof”, what I just gave you in post 1639 is unarguably a million times more of actual “proof” than could ever be from mere words in a 1500 year-old book, and yet here you are again saying that we have never presented you with the reasons why your God claims are so clearly wrong …

… so you ask us to explain X for you … we explain X and give you the original sources which show X beyond all credible doubt, and your response to that is to re-appear a few hours latter asking to be shown X.

The plain fact of the matter here is that you simply cannot face up to the truth when it shows that your God beliefs are merely the ancient untrue superstitions of an uneducated societiy living 1500 years before modern education & science ... you are apparently still stuck there in that distant past drowinig in your mythical faith beliefs.

 

[IanS]

Probably misunderstood. I know you do not harm me or my family. My family and I love you as a human being just like any other human being. I meant that you deny God. And you ignore this fact. You deny the book of the Qur'an and its prophet Muhammad. So you deny the truth. And you are an infidel. God will punish you for this wrong thinking. And you will stay in hell forever. Just because of this completely wrong thinking.! Please think wisely. It is not hard to think wisely. Do you understand what I mean? Wishing you and your esteemed family good health.

Well, firstly, as I asked you before - do you support God when you say he will slaughter us all in Hell? Do you say God is right to do that? Yes or No?

And secondly - you told us earlier in this thread, that millions of us will be killed "very soon" by an asteroid if we do not heed what you say is a warning given in the words of the Koran ... but did God send the asteroid? ... could God stop the asteroid? ... are you claiming that only non-believers who you call "infidels and enemies of God" will be killed by the asteroid? …

… so that same question again must then be asked about your asteroid claim. That is – if God is sending the asteroid to kill the infidels, or if he refuses to stop the asteroid when he could easily do that, then do you say he is right to allow that to kill people? Again, just a Yes or No answer is needed there.

 

[Lothian]

Probably misunderstood. I know you do not harm me or my family. My family and I love you as a human being just like any other human being.

Likewise

I meant that you deny God. And you ignore this fact.

Your God's existence is not a fact.

You deny the book of the Qur'an and its prophet Muhammad.

We don't deny the existence of the book, we give it and it's author the same respect we give any fiction writer such as Harry Potter and JK Rowling, well nearly the same. JK Rowling has given more money to charity than Muhammad.

So you deny the truth.

Non sequitur.

And you are an infidel.

Whatever, your name calling means nothing to me

God will punish you for this wrong thinking.

He can join the queue. There are thousands of God's I don't believe in waiting to punish me. That is before we look at your God, what punishment does he have in store for those heretics who refuse to recognize Isma'il ibn Jafar as the sixth Imam. You don't know how petty Gods can be when it comes to eternal punishment.

And you will stay in hell forever.

Part of me will be in that hell. As mentioned I have loads of Gods wanting part of me.

Just because of this completely wrong thinking.!

Yep pretty much every God wants exclusively and intellectual marriage at the exclusion of all others. It is a lottery. I mean how pissed off will you be to find Ja'far al-Sadiq was God and just because you denyed that you end up in hell. Must be like getting all 6 numbers on the lottery but finding out your ticket was for the previous draw.

Please think wisely. It is not hard to think wisely. Do you understand what I mean?

You have shown so little wisdom in this thread that I am at a loss as to what you actually mean. I suspect by thinking wisely you mean throw logic, rational thought, science, history, pretty much everything we know to be true out of the window and instead accept the Koran as being right. I understand the words but ignoring reality is something I can't get my head round

Wishing you and your esteemed family good health.

Likewise.

 

[IanS]

Hello to all of you.
It was interesting to me that; I see that all your questions, objections and excuses have been raised in the Qur'an. And I answered you according to the verses of the Qur'an. These questions and ... the habit of infidels at all times. In the time of Muhammad, the infidels asked the same questions. And in the 21th century, infidels ask the same questions. You have not made any difference. You disbelievers. Everything is not just in the experimental sciences. Consider other sciences as well. And read. Get the minimum information. In your favor. And if not, you will suffer damage.
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You do not seem to be able say anything true at all. The above is again untrue – you say we are asking the same question that infidels asked in 600AD at the time of Mohamed. But we are asking you about what has been discovered by science in modern times … they could never have asked about any of that in 600AD because that was 1400 years before any of it was known to anyone ...

… we have asked you about the fact that science has discovered Man's evolution (quite a long time ago now), and how that shows that your God definitely did not make Humans … no infidels in 600AD ever asked about that!

No infidels in 600AD ever asked about any of the discoveries of modern science! No infidels ever asked about fossils and dinosaurs & what that has told us about the age of the Earth and the evolution of millions of species ... or asked about germs and disease and modern medical cures for those things … nobody in 600AD asked why the universe is 13.8 billion years old!

Why did your Koran never mention any of that? Why did God not tell the faithful how to avoid simple diseases from germs and bacterial infections? Nobody was asking your preachers about that in 600AD.

I'm, sorry but it's just yet again completely untrue to say we are putting to you the same questions and the same evidence that infidels have always used since 600AD … so yet again, whatever you say in these posts, all of the claims you keep making, the whole lot always seems to be completely untrue about everything!

 

[Scorpion]

You can not prove that Muhammad was not a prophet of God. You have not provided any scientific or historical evidence.
But you can not satisfy me with logical reasoning.

I have provided you with logical evidence that Muhammad was a liar not a prophet in post 1605.

He said the sun swims in an orbit, and he meant it orbits the earth.



The quran says the sun orbits the earth, therefore it is not from God.

when the quran says, at surah 21.33 and 36.40 and 36.38 that the sun has an orbit, Imams falsely claim this is a great revelation, because Muhammad knew the sun had an orbit in the galaxy. But the quran is actually saying the sun orbits the flat earth and is reset every dawn , and I can prove it with the following hadith.

Hadith Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 421:
Narrated Abu Dhar:

The Prophet asked me at sunset, "Do you know where the sun goes (at the time of sunset)?" I replied, "Allah and His Apostle know better." He said, "It goes (i.e. travels) till it prostrates Itself underneath the Throne and takes the permission to rise again, and it is permitted and then (a time will come when) it will be about to prostrate itself but its prostration will not be accepted, and it will ask permission to go on its course but it will not be permitted, but it will be ordered to return whence it has come and so it will rise in the west. And that is the interpretation of the Statement of Allah: "And the sun Runs its fixed course For a term (decreed). that is The Decree of (Allah) The Exalted in Might, The All-Knowing." (36.38)

As can be seen it says that if the sun changed direction it would rise in the west. But if the sun changed direction in its orbit in the galaxy it would make no difference to the sun rising in the east, because it is the rotation of the earth that causes the appearance of the sun in the east. The hadith is clearly saying the sun orbits the earth, and it is a fuller explanation of verse 36.38 in the quran.