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The behaviour of UK police officers.

Dave Rogers said:
That shortlist would probably include every petrol station in the UK. I have never seen one that required pre-payment before filling; there are automated card payment pumps that use card pre-payment, but there's always an option to pay at the booth and that always allows filling before paying.

Dave
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Some supermarket pumps at unmanned sites are card only.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Some supermarket pumps at unmanned sites are card only.
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Those card payment pumps are a huge bonus for rural areas, that now have 24 hour access to fuel and make places cheaper to keep open. Even Applecross has 24 hour fuel now.
 
shemp said:
Do stations still let people pump then pay? There isn't a single one around here that doesn't require payment before pumping. Of course, this usually just requires inserting a credit or debit card, but I'm sure many people still pay with cash. In an era of ubiquitous security cameras, who the hell thinks they can pump and run without their face and license plate being recorded?
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A former colleague is a petrolhead. His car was stolen when he was working with us - a Subaru Impretza.

To use his words.

It was stolen by a Stokey* who obviously liked the car but not its fuel consumption because it was reported driving off without paying by a petrol station. And at the same time the next week.

The third time the police were there and followed him to his house, which was round the corner - it was by far the closest petrol station.

*An inhabitant of Stoke.
 
Nessie said:
Er, really!? This is how police behaviour is being tackled?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...-act-feelings-attraction-towards-victims-new/

"Police told not to 'act on feelings' of attraction towards victims in new cartoon training video"
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It would seem some do indeed need training to know this, so can't criticise the training for that.

However, one thing I did note that I think is much more telling then they realise is that it is a female officer being used to demonstrate the "not asking a victim for their number".

A very telling indication of one of the serious issues within the police forces.

Nessie said:
How about sacking all police officers who are found guilty of any form of sexual misconduct?
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I'd say they need to do both.
 
shemp said:
Do stations still let people pump then pay? There isn't a single one around here that doesn't require payment before pumping. Of course, this usually just requires inserting a credit or debit card, but I'm sure many people still pay with cash. In an era of ubiquitous security cameras, who the hell thinks they can pump and run without their face and license plate being recorded?
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Paying after filling up is still the norm in Germany. In fact, even paying by card directly at the pump is not possible at most stations. That's because the stations make most of their profit from selling overpriced food, snacks, and drinks from their small shops and want the customers to have to come in to pay.
 
I am not criticising that the police are introducing training, but in the form of a cartoon? That is far too light-hearted. The training should be making it clear such conduct is unacceptable and will result in a dismissal if found guilty.
 
ZeeGerman said:
Paying after filling up is still the norm in Germany. In fact, even paying by card directly at the pump is not possible at most stations. That's because the stations make most of their profit from selling overpriced food, snacks, and drinks from their small shops and want the customers to have to come in to pay.
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I suspect that's the same in the UK, although a lot of petrol stations do have pay at pump options. The size of the shops at some petrol stations are quite impressive, the fuel is almost an afterthought (that's aside from supermarkets which have a fuel station attached).
 
Nessie said:
I am not criticising that the police are introducing training, but in the form of a cartoon? That is far too light-hearted. The training should be making it clear such conduct is unacceptable and will result in a dismissal if found guilty.
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Effective training needs repetition and different ways of getting the information into folks' brains. I doubt that is all the training consists of.

The issue with that part of the training (knowing the problem there is with sexism within the police forces) is it is using an example of a female officer asking for a number. That means whoever approved the training is at best oblivious to the sexism issue or doesn't believe there is such an issue and you do not want such people involved with your training.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
He was on Jeremy Vine today.

He's a nut. It seems to be an obsession of his to pay for everything with these commemorative coins. He seems to take great delight in causing a fuss over it.
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Good for him. Next he should sue Tesco for defamation.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Seems like the kind of petty crime that could be handled better with a summons (or whatever the UK equivalent is) rather than arrest, which would have the added bonus of avoiding causing harm in cases of misunderstanding.
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Except it wasn't a crime. The Tesco staff and the police need to educate themselves.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
He was on Jeremy Vine today.

He's a nut. It seems to be an obsession of his to pay for everything with these commemorative coins. He seems to take great delight in causing a fuss over it.
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Better approach is to make sure that shop staff know they do not have to accept such payment.

All coins issued by the Royal Mint are "legal tender" but they are not all circulating legal tender so there is no legal obligation for a shop etc. to accept them as payment. And obtaining goods without the means to pay for them is a criminal offense. The police could have arrested him for that.

ETA: for those that want the facts from the mouth of the Royal Mint itself: https://www.royalmint.com/aboutus/policies-and-guidelines/legal-tender-guidelines/

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In practice this means that although the silver UK coins we produce in denominations of £5, £20, £50 and £100 are approved as legal tender, they have been designed as limited edition collectables or gifts and will not be entering general circulation. As such, UK shops and banks are unlikely to accept them.
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And for this pillock this is the bit that needs to bite him in the arse:

....In order to comply with the very strict rules governing an actual legal tender it is necessary, for example, actually to offer the exact amount due because no change can be demanded.....​

The petrol station should have accepted it and given him no change!
 
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Long post on Scrutable on this - not by me.

https://scrutable.science/viewtopic.php?p=101458#p101458

The post is worth reading - as is the thread but because of copypasta I'll pull out a few of the linked stories:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56581835

The Metropolitan Police is investigating allegations that a serving officer raped two of his female colleagues.

The officer was not charged and has not been suspended but faces a misconduct hearing more than three years after the allegations were reported. The women were awarded compensation but one of them says "we were just cast aside and not cared for".
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https://www.lep.co.uk/news/crime/pr...-cleared-of-13-sexual-assault-charges-3228712

Preston police officer who slapped female colleague's bum and unclipped another's bra as a 'laugh' is cleared of 13 sexual assault charges
A Lancashire police officer accused of sexually molesting five female colleagues was this afternoon (Fri) cleared.
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Because he said it wasn't sexual (yeah right)

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...-sex-abuse-claims-against-metropolitan-police

Individual cases are not dated but recorded as a summary of the allegations when the complaint was first received. The outcome of any disciplinary action is also given. Of the 119 cases that were upheld, 63 led to dismissals, retirements or resignations.

What is not disclosed, however, is how many cases entered into the criminal justice system.

“How many were charged with misconduct in a public office or sexual offences? If not then a proper explanation needs to be given. Disciplinary proceedings are no substitute for judicial proceedings,” said Afzal, who was chief crown prosecutor for the north-west of England.

Among those who resigned was an off-duty special constable who was accused of raping women he met at a nightclub. Last week Downing Street unveiled plans to protect women by putting plainclothes officers in nightclubs, a scheme swiftly derided by campaigners with some asking who would protect women from undercover police.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-58883628

Radio presenter Emma Wilson has said Sarah Everard's murderer Wayne Couzens flashed her and that Met Police officers laughed when she reported it.

The Magic FM DJ - who is also known as Emma B - said he exposed himself to her when she walked past an alleyway in Greenwich, south-east London, in 2008.

She told BBC Radio 4's Woman's Hour she recognised him when she saw his photo in news reports.

The Met Police is investigating the presenter's complaint.
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Captain_Swoop said:
He was on Jeremy Vine today.

He's a nut. It seems to be an obsession of his to pay for everything with these commemorative coins. He seems to take great delight in causing a fuss over it.
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Wait. Isn't the commemorative coin worth more than the face value? Wouldn't that be a good deal for the store? I would love to sell you $20 worth of anything you want in exchange for a $20 double eagle (which is currently worth around $1900). Is this really a police matter?
 
Nessie said:
Drive offs from petrol stations is a regular call for the police, who have to give the driver the opportunity to return and pay. Being allowed to fill up before payment opens the door to mistakes (forgot wallet, I've done that), to insufficient funds and card rejected. It makes proving theft surprisingly hard.
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I would think this would be seen as a poor use of police resources. If the cops refused to respond to such calls, the oil industry (it's not like they don't have any money) would have to upgrade their equipment. Pay-at-the-pump with a credit card or pay-before-you-pump with cash has been the norm in the U.S. for decades.
 
Bob001 said:
Wait. Isn't the commemorative coin worth more than the face value? Wouldn't that be a good deal for the store? I would love to sell you $20 worth of anything you want in exchange for a $20 double eagle (which is currently worth around $1900). Is this really a police matter?
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Most of these coins are just pretty coins, usually not worth very much more than their face value, plus of course to get that value someone would have to send the coin to their head office, they would then have to get it valued and sold etc.

The way to have got him would be to accept his coin as legal tender and then not given him any change. See the quote above by the Royal Mint.
 
Bob001 said:
Wait. Isn't the commemorative coin worth more than the face value? Wouldn't that be a good deal for the store? I would love to sell you $20 worth of anything you want in exchange for a $20 double eagle (which is currently worth around $1900). Is this really a police matter?
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Did you read my earlier post? If I recall correctly he's picking these up for around £60 on Ebay.
 
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