Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 28

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I sadly understand Trump's thinking about this - he knows that no one "gives" money away therefore Zuckerberg must have been buying something.

He was buying something: good publicity. I don't think it was his primary motive; he could have done it much more cheaply. But for Trump, it is the only motive he has. Everything is a deal to him.
 
A free speech trope

The Wall Street Journal published a letter from Trump. CNN's Chris Cillizza wrote, "The op-ed section at the Journal will likely hide behind 1st Amendment free speech arguments to defend themselves. But that misses the mark, since our speech is bound in all sorts of ways already. You can't yell "bomb" on a plane without repercussions. Or "fire" in a movie theater. (Remember when we used to go to the movies? Yeah, that was fun.)
Under that same logic, you can't simply allow lies about the 2020 election to be printed in a major national newspaper under the guise of free speech. There is absolutely no evidence that any of what Trump wrote in the letter is true."

I am confident that Cillizza's summary of the letter is accurate; in other words the letter is chock full of fact-free conspiracy theories about the election. Yet the argument above is nonsense of a different kind. Ken White has identified a number of free speech tropes, and this is one fine example. We all know that one cannot yell "Fire" in a crowded theater, for example, but that does not explain how what Trump wrote fits into one of the categories of unprotected speech. He deserves a Billy Madison award. That having been said, I am worried about pernicious, long-term effects of January 6th on democracy in the United States, and Trump's letter is no help. The Economist had an excellent article in their issue from 3 July 2021 about this general subject.
 
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The Wall Street Journal published a letter from Trump. CNN's Chris Cillizza wrote, "The op-ed section at the Journal will likely hide behind 1st Amendment free speech arguments to defend themselves. But that misses the mark, since our speech is bound in all sorts of ways already. You can't yell "bomb" on a plane without repercussions. Or "fire" in a movie theater. (Remember when we used to go to the movies? Yeah, that was fun.)
Under that same logic, you can't simply allow lies about the 2020 election to be printed in a major national newspaper under the guise of free speech. There is absolutely no evidence that any of what Trump wrote in the letter is true."

I am confident that Cillizza's summary of the letter is accurate; in other words the letter is chock full of fact-free conspiracy theories about the election. Yet the argument above is nonsense of a different kind. Ken White has identified a number of free speech tropes, and this is one fine example. We all know that one cannot yell "Fire" in a crowded theater, for example, but that does not explain how what Trump wrote fits into one of the categories of unprotected speech. He deserves a Billy Madison award. That having been said, I am worried about pernicious, long-term effects of January 6th on democracy in the United States, and Trump's letter is no help. The Economist had an excellent article in their issue from 3 July 2021 about this general subject.
He's mixing issues. Seems to me that the Journal has the right to publish Trump's letter but can be criticized for doing so.

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Yeah like everything else the "Can't Yell Fire in a Crowded Theater" thing was established back in the facts world. We are not in the post-fact world. It doesn't work if ~40 of the population refuses to believe fires exist or think every fire is a false flag set by the Jews or whatever and intentionally set fires because it triggers the libs and go up to people on fire and tell them how they are in their heads, rent free.

Now the Trolls will just go "I demand a civil debate with you about why fires burning down buildings and killing people is bad" or just look straight at a bucket of water, go "That's a fire" and expect that to be treated as a valid alternative opinion.
 
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Yeah like everything else the "Can't Yell Fire in a Crowded Theater" thing was established back in the facts world. We are not in the post-fact world. It doesn't work if ~40 of the population refuses to believe fires exist or think every fire is a false flag set by the Jews or whatever and intentionally set fires because it triggers the libs and go up to people on fire and tell them how they are in their heads, rent free.

Now the Trolls will just go "I demand a civil debate with you about why fires burning down buildings and killing people is bad" or just look straight at a bucket of water, go "That's a fire" and expect that to be treated as a valid alternative opinion.
The "fire" thing was established in a fevered jingoistic "we're at war so don't you dare question your government" world.

There are good arguments against unlimited free speech, but that is absolutely not one of them.

Self-declaration of bias: it is also why I can't support government legislating what is good or bad speech. Especially as we slide into fascism, I have no faith that will work out like we think it will. Odds are far higher you'll see school teachers in handcuffs for teaching the dirty truths of American history.
 
The "fire" thing was established in a fevered jingoistic "we're at war so don't you dare question your government" world.

There are good arguments against unlimited free speech, but that is absolutely not one of them.

Self-declaration of bias: it is also why I can't support government legislating what is good or bad speech. Especially as we slide into fascism, I have no faith that will work out like we think it will. Odds are far higher you'll see school teachers in handcuffs for teaching the dirty truths of American history.

Depends which fascists win the war.
 
Saw this last night on Twitter, just in time for Halloween. :(

If you want to slam trump you can never run out of ammo.
 

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Very sad. Just hope trump turns out to be an aberration and not the wave of the (dysfunctional) future.
 

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Saw this last night on Twitter, just in time for Halloween. :(

If you want to slam trump you can never run out of ammo.

This is why Trump supporters are so disgusting. If someone can vote for the kind of thing that does this, they either want engage in such behavior or already have.
 
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