Discussion: Transwomen are not women (Part 7)

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SuburbanTurkey said:
Things must be even worse on the Cursed Isle than I thought that this kind of nutpicking moral panic is considered worthy of the BBC. Truly dire times over there.
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Are you saying that the women in the article are lying or are you saying that their experience doesn't merit attention?
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Things must be even worse on the Cursed Isle than I thought that this kind of nutpicking moral panic is considered worthy of the BBC. Truly dire times over there.
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:jaw-dropp Commonplace harassment of lesbians to try to "relearn" their sexual orientation so that they can "learn to like" dick... along with Planned Parenthood having workshops on how to break through the cotton ceiling, and the CEO of one of the largest LGBTQ+ organizations in the UK (possibly the world) framing lesbian's homosexuality as "prejudice" is... nutpicking moral panic?

Seriously, do you somehow believe that if you simply use enough denigrating terms and toss out enough things that frame "those people" as being somehow inherently evil you will win the internet?
 
Olmstead said:
Are you saying that the women in the article are lying or are you saying that their experience doesn't merit attention?
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I'm failing to see what some anecdotes about legitimately crappy experiences at the hands of manipulative romantic partners and scummy strangers has to do with the broader anti-trans movement in the UK, unless the goal is to simply throw more fuel onto the roaring flames of bigotry.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
I'm failing to see what some anecdotes about legitimately crappy experiences at the hands of manipulative romantic partners and scummy strangers has to do with the broader anti-trans movement in the UK, unless the goal is to simply throw more fuel onto the roaring flames of bigotry.
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56% isn't just anecdotes, and while a questionnaire on social media isn't the best sample, it's a good starting point.

If lesbian women are being harmed due to the view on sexuality expressed by some organisations, maybe that view could use some revising? An acknowledgement that, all else being equal, sex with a woman and sex with a transwoman aren't quite the same thing?
 
Olmstead said:
56% isn't just anecdotes, and while a questionnaire on social media isn't the best sample, it's a good starting point.

If lesbian women are being harmed due to the view on sexuality expressed by some organisations, maybe that view could use some revising? An acknowledgement that, all else being equal, sex with a woman and sex with a transwoman aren't quite the same thing?
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Ah this explains the genitals first approach to dating that for some reason so many object to for some strange reason. You need to see their genitals before you decide if you want to go out with them.
 
Olmstead said:
56% isn't just anecdotes, and while a questionnaire on social media isn't the best sample, it's a good starting point.

If lesbian women are being harmed due to the view on sexuality expressed by some organisations, maybe that view could use some revising? An acknowledgement that, all else being equal, sex with a woman and sex with a transwoman aren't quite the same thing?
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56% of an 80 person non-randomized, non-representative population from the social media of the co-founder of an explicitly anti-trans organization. I'm surprised it was so low.

Incredible that the BBC would publish this as if it's a useful statistic. It's total crap.

Trying to pad out a tale of woeful anecdotes with garbage statistics smacks of dishonesty. This isn't journalism, it's a hit piece.
 
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SuburbanTurkey said:
56% of an 80 person non-randomized, non-representative population from the social media of the co-founder of an explicitly anti-trans organization. I'm surprised it was so low.

Incredible that the BBC would publish this as if it's a useful statistic.
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Are you saing that the women in the questionnaire are lying or are you saying that 56% of 80 don't merit attention because they are transphobic lesbians?

That's like over 40 anecdotes.
 
Olmstead said:
Are you saing that the women in the questionnaire are lying or are you saying that 56% of 80 don't merit attention because they are transphobic lesbians?

That's like over 40 anecdotes.
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I surveyed 15 of my social media followers and 80% says they're lying. What now?

It's a trash statistic, no matter how you slice it. it serves no other function other than to confuse people who aren't savvy enough to realize that and imply that this supposed problem is more widespread than it likely is.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Ah this explains the genitals first approach to dating that for some reason so many object to for some strange reason. You need to see their genitals before you decide if you want to go out with them.
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What's the difference between a transwoman and a really good cross-dresser from my point of view, and should I be upset about either?
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
I'm failing to see what some anecdotes about legitimately crappy experiences at the hands of manipulative romantic partners and scummy strangers has to do with the broader anti-trans movement in the UK, unless the goal is to simply throw more fuel onto the roaring flames of bigotry.
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You might want to take it up with the head of a prominent and influential pro-trans activist organization. She(?) validated this attitude, which can only have negative results among the pro-trans community.

If you're worried that these anecdotes are contributing to the negative image of transsexuals and trans-activists, you should probably join us in repudiating Stonewall for encouraging the behavior. Instead of trying to minimize it and demonize anyone who speaks up about it.
 
theprestige said:
You might want to take it up with the head of a prominent and influential pro-trans activist organization. She(?) validated this attitude, which can only have negative results among the pro-trans community.

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No she didn't, the quote you provided says as much.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Ah the good old trans panic argument. How dare they be sexually attractive to you!
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I don't mind that part at all, but I will feel a little mislead if they don't tell me before the first date. I will feel very mislead if they don't tell me before reaching third base.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Ah this explains the genitals first approach to dating that for some reason so many object to for some strange reason. You need to see their genitals before you decide if you want to go out with them.
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Most of the time, you don't even need to see their genitals.

Look at it another way: Of course you need to see their genitals, but there are plenty of other indicators that can usually stand in as a reliable proxy for those genitals. A straight dude sees another dude, he doesn't need to see the johnson itself. He already knows he's looking at a dude.

The problem only occurs when a dude passes so successfully as a lady that the other dude doesn't realize he's looking at a dude. Then he's understandably upset when the scenario goes all Crying Game on him.

And apparently now there's a second problem that comes up when a dude doesn't pass as a lady, but still wants other straight dudes to pretend he's lady, and feel heterosexual attraction to his johnson.

Honestly, PT, the best explanation for your posts in this thread is that they're an anti-trans false flag.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
I surveyed 15 of my social media followers and 80% says they're lying. What now?

It's a trash statistic, no matter how you slice it. it serves no other function other than to confuse people who aren't savvy enough to realize that and imply that this supposed problem is more widespread than it likely is.
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It's an article about a problem experienced by real people. Data is limited, and women have experienced documented abuse when they tried to bring attention to the problem. Where would you start if you were a woman in their position?
 
theprestige said:
Most of the time, you don't even need to see their genitals.

Look at it another way: Of course you need to see their genitals, but there are plenty of other indicators that can usually stand in as a reliable proxy for those genitals. A straight dude sees another dude, he doesn't need to see the johnson itself. He already knows he's looking at a dude.

The problem only occurs when a dude passes so successfully as a lady that the other dude doesn't realize he's looking at a dude. Then he's understandably upset when the scenario goes all Crying Game on him.

And apparently now there's a second problem that comes up when a dude doesn't pass as a lady, but still wants other straight dudes to pretend he's lady, and feel heterosexual attraction to his johnson.

Honestly, PT, the best explanation for your posts in this thread is that they're an anti-trans false flag.
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That movie scares you. I wonder why.
 
Olmstead said:
What's the difference between a transwoman and a really good cross-dresser from my point of view, and should I be upset about either?
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Well, if you have sex with a feminine, be-penised person before you know their preferred pronouns, then a couple interesting things happen. First off, you are probably a slut. Next thing is that your orientation is now in a sort of Schrodinger's box, where you may be either straight or gay, only to be revealed when they turn around (okay, I'm making a lot of assumptions about this scenario) and tell you whether they are a transwoman, or a man that likes to play a part.

I really don't know if this is the kind of thing you had in mind with your question? But, from my perspective, none of it should be upsetting, unless you are the kind of person that can't stand living with doubt.
 
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