New telepathy test, the sequel.

He also once (here) accepted an answer, apparently as a hit, that was wrong- for a number between 1 and 10, the answer he accepted was "1" (while the actual correct answer was 10), because 1 is the first digit of 10 and the answer "sounded rather friendly"; while he rejected for his statistical analysis an answer of "3" (because no comment accompanied the guess, and both the number 3 and the poster's name- Red Baron Farms- demonstrated "an element of aggressivity"). He also rejected for inclusion in his analysis an answer of "I don't know," because the comment that accompanied it ignored that Michel had explained how he selected the number. His premise is that everyone in the world receives his telepathic transmissions; it seems to me that an answer that says "I don't know" would be just as statistically valid, for deciding whether there was such a transmission, as any right or wrong answer. Pollsters who want to see if an electorate is convinced of a particular political position- i.e., if that position has been successfully "transmitted"- don't reject "undecided" in their analysis, because that is, in fact, part of what they want to know. And if you just decide that everyone who answers wrongly or in a way that you don't like is lying, there doesn't seem to be much point in doing the survey at all.
 
That's not how I remember him.
I call shenanigans. You know as well as the rest of us what kind of venue this is. You know as well as the rest of us what side Loss Leader was on. You have all the data necessary to determine when he was joking and when he was being serious. You are choosing to be ignorant. You are choosing untruth. What good is your telepathy, if you have to defend it with lies?
 
He also once (here) accepted an answer, apparently as a hit, that was wrong- for a number between 1 and 10, the answer he accepted was "1" (while the actual correct answer was 10), because 1 is the first digit of 10 and the answer "sounded rather friendly"; while he rejected for his statistical analysis an answer of "3" (because no comment accompanied the guess, and both the number 3 and the poster's name- Red Baron Farms- demonstrated "an element of aggressivity"). He also rejected for inclusion in his analysis an answer of "I don't know," because the comment that accompanied it ignored that Michel had explained how he selected the number. His premise is that everyone in the world receives his telepathic transmissions; it seems to me that an answer that says "I don't know" would be just as statistically valid, for deciding whether there was such a transmission, as any right or wrong answer. Pollsters who want to see if an electorate is convinced of a particular political position- i.e., if that position has been successfully "transmitted"- don't reject "undecided" in their analysis, because that is, in fact, part of what they want to know. And if you just decide that everyone who answers wrongly or in a way that you don't like is lying, there doesn't seem to be much point in doing the survey at all.
In the example you mention, scarlettinlondon's answer ("1") wasn't a full hit, as I explained, her answer seemed more reliable and was also related to the correct answer, and I felt that this was of interest.

If people answer just "I don't know", it means "I don't know". I think that you should the right to say "I don't know" in all my tests, just like I have the right to consider the possibility you are lying. However, if people reply something like:
"I donnnt know",
the way it is written raises suspicion, the credibility is low.

We don't live in an ideal world, and I have to use the data you provide, try to extract the right conclusion from inevitably imperfect data. This is difficult, and the credibility analysis seems to be an essential tool for this work.

It is important to understand that, even if people are able to read my mind accurately, they will not necessarily fully cooperate in the test (this is a point which, I think, is widely misunderstood by skeptics).

It is necessary to "fight hard" to try to extract the truth from people who are not necessarily eager to reveal it, this is why the analyses seem sometimes somewhat complicated. There is an element of complexity that cannot be completely removed.

One fundamental observation that I made in my tests, conducted over many years and in several languages, was that, when people give the correct answer, they tend to be friendlier and more serious in their answers than when they do not. This aspect seems to be the key element for analysing results. On the other hand, if you ask people, "did I write 1, 2, 3 or 4" or "did I write 2, 3, 4 or 5"", it seems that people will give the correct answer about 25% of the time, even when they know the correct answer. In other words, it seems that people usually refuse to fully cooperate (though they are some cases of good cooperation), and provide answers with an element of complexity. There is no way an analysis can be straightforward if the answers are complex, this is something which is not taught in books and that you have to accept.
 
I call shenanigans. You know as well as the rest of us what kind of venue this is. You know as well as the rest of us what side Loss Leader was on. You have all the data necessary to determine when he was joking and when he was being serious. You are choosing to be ignorant. You are choosing untruth. What good is your telepathy, if you have to defend it with lies?
Loss Leader said:
I am seeing a 4 very clearly. It's almost as though I had written it myself.
in August 2013 (correct answer), and later confirmed (in 2017)
... Early on, I used my telepathic powers to see into your ... mind and pull out the number you were thinking of ... your thoughts were very easy to read ...
(I am not repeating here all his statements, that I have discussed previously with Pixel42).

Now you might ask:"Why would a mod on a skeptical website give such 'spectacular' answers", which seem so "believing", rather than skeptical.

This actually doesn't surprise me, and I think it was related to the great prestige of Randi and his educational foundation. When you are at the top, in terms of reputation, you have to behave accordingly to maintain that position.
 
I cannot reply to you if you don't post the actual link (if it exists).

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=11496861

It's literally in this thread. Page 1. Feel free to follow your own rabbit hole of madness backwards too while you are at it.

You know I'm trying to give you the benefit of mental illness but I'd be lying if I didn't say, That for the entire duration of your time here, I've also thought that you're just a worthless troll butthurt that people don't buy into majik so you've wasted their time here for your own amusement.
 
I have already discussed at great lengths LL's posts.
Yes, but these last two times (you just did it again I see)... you edited his words to fit your interpretation.

Post the original (it's in several recent posts just upthread, that's how I noticed)... then post your edit again right after. we'll all look and compare.
 
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=11496861

It's literally in this thread. Page 1. Feel free to follow your own rabbit hole of madness backwards too while you are at it.

You know I'm trying to give you the benefit of mental illness but I'd be lying if I didn't say, That for the entire duration of your time here, I've also thought that you're just a worthless troll butthurt that people don't buy into majik so you've wasted their time here for your own amusement.
Is your post some kind of joke?

When I click on your link, I see this post (which I have completed):
Perhaps I'm going about this the wrong way, These tests are designed to be way too fair.
What is needed is a totally lopsided test for Michel.

OK Michel I am think of one of these TWO numbers, Try to guess which one I have picked.


Is it:

A: 1


or

B: >>2<<
It is tempting to answer "2". However, you could have set up a trap. And you provided no MD5 hash (or other kind of hash) about your actual choice.
Are you attempting to participate in this test in a covert way?
 
Yes, but these last two times (you just did it again I see)... you edited his words to fit your interpretation.

Post the original (it's in several recent posts just upthread, that's how I noticed)... then post your edit again right after. we'll all look and compare.
I just removed some parts (and replaced them by ellipses) to try to bring out the most interesting parts. Loss Leader for example said:
I did not only present evidence of my telepathy. Early on, I used my telepathic powers to see into your weak and ordinary mind and pull out the number you were thinking of. You did not feel aggressively towards me back then so your thoughts were very easy to read and you did not change your answer when you knew I was right. Since then, your aggression has grown. After that point, even when I got the right answer by reading your mind, you lied and changed your answer to agree with someone whose powers do not frighten you.

You do let slip one true statement, probably subconsciously. You call telepathy "annoying". I am sure that you do feel annoyed by your jealousy of my extraordinary telepathic abilities.
His claim that my mind is "weak and ordinary" did not seem essential to me in a discussion about telepathy.
People can still click to see the full post, I don't think there is anything dishonest about this, it is just "quoting". I think, however, that there is an element of joking in this post by Loss Leader, which doesn't make it the most reliable, but I have to use the information which is given to me.
 
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If people answer just "I don't know", it means "I don't know". I think that you should the right to say "I don't know" in all my tests, just like I have the right to consider the possibility you are lying. However, if people reply something like:
"I donnnt know",
the way it is written raises suspicion, the credibility is low.
If people answer just "I don't know", it means "I don't know". I think that you should have the right to say "I don't know" in all my tests, just like I have the right to consider the possibility you are lying. However, if people reply something like:
"I donnnt know",
the way it is written raises suspicion, the credibility is low.
 
If people answer just "I don't know", it means "I don't know". I think that you should have the right to say "I don't know" in all my tests, just like I have the right to consider the possibility you are lying. However, if people reply something like:
"I donnnt know",
the way it is written raises suspicion, the credibility is low.

Is this supposed to be comedy?

I am not an expert, but this testing methodology seems to suck.
 
Is this supposed to be comedy?

I am not an expert, but this testing methodology seems to suck.

It is not a joke. Yes, the methodology sucks. Its design is guaranteed only to feed Michel's confirmation bias. Michel is entirely convinced that everyone can sense what he is thinking and he will twist anything you say about it to support that delusion. I wish there was some way we could help him with his problem but it seems not.

By the way, his inability to detect sarcasm and jokes are completely real so please think abut what you write: beware that in normal speech we use those perhaps more than we realise and that Michel will interpret what you write literally. "I was obviously joking" cuts no ice since there's nothing obvious about it to Michel.
 
By the way, his inability to detect sarcasm and jokes are completely real so please think abut what you write
Can you provide serious evidence which supports your claim that "Michel H is unable to detect sarcasm and jokes", or is this just a convenient lie for dishonest pseudo-skeptics?

I also note that you wrote "abut" instead of "about".
 
Can you provide serious evidence which supports your claim that "Michel H is unable to detect sarcasm and jokes", or is this just a convenient lie for dishonest pseudo-skeptics?

I also note that you wrote "abut" instead of "about".
Ah, yes, thanks. I forgot about that.

Michel will also seize upon typographical errors and spelling mistakes as if they signified something important.

Perhaps I should have said Michel is less able to discern sarcasm or jokes. I didn't intend to insult you, but neither do I intend to go back and search for every previous time a poster has tried to explain to you that they were joking or being sarcastic.
 
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Ah, yes, thanks. I forgot about that.

Michel will also seize upon typographical errors and spelling mistakes as if they signified something important.

Perhaps I should have said Michel is less able to discern sarcasm or jokes. I didn't intend to insult you, but neither do I intend to go back and search for every previous time a poster has tried to explain to you that they were joking or being sarcastic.
Well, if a member of this forum claims that he was joking or being sarcastic in a telepathy thread, what value exactly does this have? I think one may ask this question.

The explanation might simply be that they no longer want to admit that I am a "telepathic person", so they may say "what I said was a joke". Adding "a joke that you cannot understand because of your condition" makes the comment significantly more vicious, but it would seems that "thought projectors" are an "unprotected minority".

The example that comes to mind is, of course, Loss Leader once again.
I am seeing a 4 very clearly. It's almost as though I had written it myself.
(2013)
... Early on, I used my telepathic powers to see into your ... mind and pull out the number you were thinking of ... your thoughts were very easy to read ...
(2017)
Geed gravy, one sentence I wrote sarcastically in 2013 is going to follow me for the rest of my life. They'll probably put it on my tombstone.
(2019)
Now, the question is, how reliable was Loss Leader when he used this word "sarcastically" in 2019. He may have provided the answer himself:
For the record, I was lying ... . I lied because I thought it was funny. I lied to make you look foolish. ...
All of my responses to any of your tests have been lies.

If I were you, I would discard all my responses as not being credible.
(2014)

Loss Leader, a fully reliable poster? (some doubts about that)

On the other hand, a mere glance at his post:
I am seeing a 4 very clearly. It's almost as though I had written it myself.
, (his answer was proven to be correct) shows (in my opinion) that there is nothing "sarcastic" about it. It is in line with (for example):
... I do indeed have ESP, and know for a fact that he wrote 2!
(correct answer)
or
cullennz said:
Think it's pretty simple.

I'm psychic and chose to read Michael H's mind. ...
(after cullennz had given a correct answer too, post in AAH, date 13th September 2016. By the way, the thread in Abandon All Hope is funny to read, but I don't think I am allowed to post the link).
 
Thought projection, ideas of reference, thought insertion, knight's move thinking, concrete thinking, delusional systems...

Nothing to be gained from trying to engage here. Even if it wasn't already obvious from the thread history.
 

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