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The Sinking of MS Estonia: Case Re-opened Part II

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LondonJohn said:
I love how Vixen believes - still - that there's a functional equivalence between a) a ship's hull being built to keep water out, and b) a ship's hull being a hermetically-sealed chamber of air (much like, say, a blown-up and tied-off balloon).

And come to think of it, Vixen really ought to know a little about Viking seafarers. If she does, then perhaps she might mull over the fact that pretty much all Viking longships had open decks. Their hulls were built to keep out the sea, sure - but if there was a storm and waves managed to breach the freeboard of the ship, that water was going to pool and collect down by the keel. And if a sufficient mass of water collected there, the ship would sink.
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If you knew about simple physics, you'd know that if a Viking longboat capsized, it would not sink but it would turn belly up. The biggest hazard was probably running into rocks, causing a breach in the hull, then you were done for. All the churches around the coastal towns have votive ships hanging from the ceiling, which probably to back to pagan times to invoke safety for those at sea.

This is a large one at Turku Cathedral.
 

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Vixen said:
If you knew about simple physics ...
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Says the person who confidently reported that temperatures over 700C can only be achieved in a lab, so thanks for the laugh.
 
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Vixen said:
Sorry, are you claiming a professor from a Norwegian University's Material Science Department is acting in bad faith?
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Are you claiming a professor from a university was the only thing that happened in the press conference you linked to? Is it possible for you to distinguish the witness from the advocate? Did you forget the part where she was baited to support the politician's desired findings, and she said no, she wasn't going to do that?

This says more about you than it does about her.
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Ditto.

I've covered Prof. Westermann's findings in some detail. I notice you don't pay much attention to that. I covered Prof. Amdahl's findings in considerable detail. You didn't pay much attention to that, either. You seem to think that third-party interpretations of what experts say is somehow just as authoritative as what the experts themselves say. You don't seem to appreciate that your critics see a difference.
 
Vixen said:
What is it with you, Axxman300, that the Cult of the Bow Visor arouses such blind almost religious faith in you? The entire hypothesis is based on guesswork.

The vessel had a 0.5º list when it left port which is hardly alarming.
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Not so much religious faith as a reasonable grasp of the obvious.

A large gaping hole in the bow during heavy seas while sailing at flank speed seems like a recipe for disaster.

It's like the old joke about a submarine with a screen door, don't laugh, it keeps the fish out.
 
Vixen said:
Look. It you are sitting in a long boat and a huge wave of water comes in, you just bail it out.

If you happened to topple over, the boat doesn't actually sink and you can hang on to the keel and try and right it.
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Anytime water gets into a ship the crew either bails it out manually (as the Vikings did I'm sure) or they run pumps.... I mean obviously. That doesn't mean its impossible for a long ship to be overwhelmed and lose buoyancy in a storm (do you disagree with this?!).

Also the picture you posted earlier of a ship is not a Viking Long Ship.
 
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Vixen said:
If you knew about simple physics, you'd know that if a Viking longboat capsized, it would not sink but it would turn belly up. The biggest hazard was probably running into rocks, causing a breach in the hull, then you were done for. All the churches around the coastal towns have votive ships hanging from the ceiling, which probably to back to pagan times to invoke safety for those at sea.

This is a large one at Turku Cathedral.
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The Estonia was no a Viking longboat.
 
Vixen said:
Look. It you are sitting in a long boat and a huge wave of water comes in, you just bail it out.

If you happened to topple over, the boat doesn't actually sink and you can hang on to the keel and try and right it.
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What is your evidence for this?
 
junkshop said:
Please illustrate in what way I have mocked "the survivors families"
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I'm going to drop this now. I was trying to find out if Vixen could admit to making a mistake, even something as inconsequential as a typo, and I have my answer now.



ETA: To those that have gone to the effort of avoiding gendered pronouns when referring to me, thank you. For future reference, and to save you typing more characters than necessary, I'm fine with he/him/his &c. I'm a boy (but my mother doesn't know it).1



1She totally does, I just couldn't resist.
 
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