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Texas bans abortion.

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Dr. Keith said:
And every time you call I preface my advice with “I’m not a medical doctor, but if it were me . . . “
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I'm not a medical doctor, I'm a real doctor. (That tends to annoy physicians here). But then we all have doctorates.
 
Stacyhs said:
LOL! I couldn't help but think of "The Prince and the Pauper"
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For me Doctor Who is my go to source of duplicates:time displaced, androids, clones, Gangers, shape-changing robots, parallel universes et cetera.
 
Stacyhs said:
Sometimes one twin will siphon off (so to speak) more of the nutrition and negatively affect the other resulting in slower development and birth weight.

A very rare condition can also occur where a woman actually conceives again when she's already pregnant (superfetation). This means she's carrying fetuses of different gestational development and due dates but they would end up being delivered at the same time. That means the younger fetus would be smaller and less developed.
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And superfetation is becoming more common, most cases are due to fertility treatments.
 
cosmicaug said:
A sperm sometimes will develop into a "distinct human being".
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I have never heard of a sperm developing into a human being without an ovum and online resources are scarce on this news worthy development. The closest I could find was a case where sperm was used to fertilize embryos instead of eggs - resulting in the birth of baby mice.
Fertilization without an egg: New technique produces healthy baby mice

This is a long way from a sperm becoming a "distinct human being" all by itself.
 
psionl0 said:
I have never heard of a sperm developing into a human being without an ovum and online resources are scarce on this news worthy development. The closest I could find was a case where sperm was used to fertilize embryos instead of eggs - resulting in the birth of baby mice.
Fertilization without an egg: New technique produces healthy baby mice

This is a long way from a sperm becoming a "distinct human being" all by itself.
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Nope, its only about 8 to 10 inches away
 
psionl0 said:
Seriously? You expect me to list all of the caveats that might apply to the growth and development of a zygote then accuse me of pretending that words can mean anything?
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I listed developmental facts.

You are the one here pretending that others here are using "human", "human being", "person" etc. interchangeably when you clearly know better.
 
psionl0 said:
I have never heard of a sperm developing into a human being without an ovum and online resources are scarce on this news worthy development. The closest I could find was a case where sperm was used to fertilize embryos instead of eggs - resulting in the birth of baby mice.
Fertilization without an egg: New technique produces healthy baby mice

This is a long way from a sperm becoming a "distinct human being" all by itself.
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You added the arbitrary "all by itself".
 
Again I will repeat this so it can be ignored by the dishonest:

The anti-woman side is just going to keep hate ******* the language until it says what they want it to say.

"Life" is a weasel term that doesn't mean the same thing in every context.

A cancer cell is "alive." Who cares if a fetus is or not?

A brain-dead coma victim is "human." Who cares if a zygote is or not?

"SO IS A FETUS ALIVE OR DEAD? HUMAN OR NOT? ANSWER THAT!"

No. It's a bad question. It's meaningless, vague, and doesn't mean anything.

Keep dishonestly using words in context they don't work in, it's such a compelling argument.
 
Warp12 said:
More education, more access to free birth control, more community outreach? I mean, that is all I can think of, to start.

Of course I would also like to see a greater emphasis put on responsible behavior and personal accountability. But I don't know exactly how to make that happen. Sadly, that ship may have sailed.

Obviously nobody wants to have an abortion, at the end of the day. But, without a greater focus on the above mentioned, things are not likely to change much. Relaxing abortion law and focusing on freedoms is not going to help matters in the long run, imo.
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Responsibility: guys who get women pregnant unintentionally go to jail until the pregnancy ends or the child is adopted? Any negative medical outcomes for the woman are replicated for the man.
 
Warp12 said:
The majority of unwanted pregnancies in the US are related to either non-use, or inconsistent use of birth control. So, what do you suspect that the majority of abortions might be functioning as? Reactive birth control, unfortunately. Imo, the focus needs to be on stopping the need for an abortion, not providing greater access to them. I am not referring to the TX law, as I have already said it is unreasonable.
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What does it mean, then, when those who claim to be anti-abortion focus all of their attention on punishing women and spend the tiny remainder thwarting other efforts at actually providing useful sex education?

To me, it looks like they don’t actually care about reducing abortion, it looks like they care about punishing women for sex.

See: Texas.
 
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I'm still waiting on a non-troll, answer that's actually an answer and not just semantic hate ******* of the language, as to why abortion is different than any other kind of birth control.

Harp on about "personal responsibility" all you want, it still just comes across as wanting to control women's bodies and punish them for having sex.

Because that's what it is.
 
JoeMorgue said:
I'm still waiting on a non-troll, answer that's actually an answer and not just semantic hate ******* of the language, as to why abortion is different than any other kind of birth control.
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Keeping emotion (religion) out of it, abortion is not the most ideal form of birth control - other than maybe some form of morning after pill. There may be some degree of trauma associated with an abortion operation.
 
psionl0 said:
Keeping emotion (religion) out of it, abortion is not the most ideal form of birth control - other than maybe some form of morning after pill. There may be some degree of trauma associated with an abortion operation.
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That's a lie, told knowingly. Abortion does not have meaningful negative psychosocial effects on women. That's a fact, not up for debate or "buh muh opinion because it is subjective ethics with sprinkles."

And religion IS in this. There is no secular opposition to abortion, never has been, except a few cherry picked fringe cases that statically don't matter.
 
JoeMorgue said:
That's a lie, told knowingly. Abortion does not have meaningful negative psychosocial effects on women. That's a fact, not up for debate or "buh muh opinion because it is subjective ethics with sprinkles."
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Your knowing all about women doesn't make me a liar.

JoeMorgue said:
And religion IS in this. There is no secular opposition to abortion, never has been, except a few cherry picked fringe cases that statically don't matter.
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If you want this to be a religious issue then don't be so outraged if religious people weigh in.
 
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