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Free Britney!

Tell me, for 13 years, how this information was "withheld"? Seriously, was she forbidden to go to library or to perform an internet search, or to talk to other human beings? I am serious about this.

If you read the links, you would learn that her daily life, including electronic access, was closely controlled and monitored. There were microphones in her bedroom. Her conservators told her what she could -- and couldn't -- order for dinner. No, she couldn't just hop down to the library. You may have forgotten that she was forbidden to hire her own lawyer. Everything she knew about her conservatorship came from the people who were running it, and they frequently threatened to withhold access to her children if she didn't do what they said.

Reposting:
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/...tney-spears-fx-doc-things-we-learned-1231812/
 
If you read the links, you would learn that her daily life, including electronic access, was closely controlled and monitored. There were microphones in her bedroom. Her conservators told her what she could -- and couldn't -- order for dinner. No, she couldn't just hop down to the library. You may have forgotten that she was forbidden to hire her own lawyer. Everything she knew about her conservatorship came from the people who were running it, and they frequently threatened to withhold access to her children if she didn't do what they said.

Reposting:
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/...tney-spears-fx-doc-things-we-learned-1231812/

She has a long-term BF that she is engaged to, right? Are they allowed to speak to one another?
 
She has a long-term BF that she is engaged to, right? Are they allowed to speak to one another?

So what if they can? You don't seem to grasp that she has no legal rights. For 13 years, until a couple months ago, she couldn't hire her own lawyer. Every time she tried to stand up for herself in even trivial ways, her father threatened to block her access to her kids. At one point she apparently went to a police station to complain about her situation and nothing happened. What do you think she was supposed to do?
 
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But as far as I'm concerned, I will hold to the idea that if a person is so incompetent that a conservator is required, they are not competent to voluntarily consent to the arrangement. I can't claim to say that the law in California doesn't allow such a thing, but if it does, it is a serious defect in the law.

I think the single most damning fact is that for the initial proceeding she tried to hire her own lawyer, and the judge wouldn't let him represent her based on a report provided by daddy's expert that the judge wouldn't even let him see. Certainly anybody at risk of losing rights in any legal proceeding should have a lawyer of their choosing.
https://www.mtv.com/news/1580917/br...er-judge-doesnt-recognize-him-as-her-counsel/
 
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Britney's lawyer files new motion.
In new court paperwork signed by Spears and filed Monday in Los Angeles, lawyer Mathew Rosengart issued another blistering attack on Jamie after The New York Times reported for the first time Friday he allegedly hired a security firm that placed a listening device in his daughter’s bedroom.
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The device “secretly captured” some of the pop star’s private communications with her children and former lawyer back when Jamie was acting as conservator of both Britney’s finances and day-to-day life in 2016, a former cybersecurity specialist who worked for the security firm told The Times.
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“Mr. Spears has crossed unfathomable lines,” Rosengart, a former federal prosecutor, wrote in the new court filing obtained by Rolling Stone that also called the alleged surveillance “deeply disturbing.”

“While they are not evidence, the allegations warrant serious investigation, certainly by Ms. Spears as, among other things, California is a ‘two-party’ consent state,” the lawyer said.
Rosengart argued the allegations will “inevitably” force Jamie Spears into “defending his own interests, not his daughter’s,” and that’s even more reason to grant Britney’s pending petition to suspend him on or before a critical hearing in the case set for Wednesday.
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/...-jamie-spears-conservatorship-filing-1233114/

The highlighted is especially significant because in a two-party state, all parties to a conversation must know they are being recorded. To record someone without their knowledge and consent generally is a crime.
https://recordinglaw.com/party-two-party-consent-states/california-recording-laws/
 
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Britney's lawyer files new motion.

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/...-jamie-spears-conservatorship-filing-1233114/

The highlighted is especially significant because in a two-party state, all parties to a conversation must know they are being recorded. To record someone without their knowledge and consent generally is a crime.
https://recordinglaw.com/party-two-party-consent-states/california-recording-laws/

I imagine Spears would likely argue that his position as conservator gave him the legal power to consent to the recording on Britney's behalf. I do not know one way or the other how successful that argument would be, though.
 
I imagine Spears would likely argue that his position as conservator gave him the legal power to consent to the recording on Britney's behalf. I do not know one way or the other how successful that argument would be, though.

That might be true for her -- maybe -- but I don't think it would protect him if anyone else was recorded without their knowledge, and presumably she would have been talking to somebody.
 
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Another detailed account of the "watch Britney" operation.
Britney Spears’s father and the security firm he hired to protect her ran an intense surveillance apparatus that monitored her communications and secretly captured audio recordings from her bedroom, including her interactions and conversations with her boyfriend and children, according to a former employee of the security firm.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/24/arts/music/britney-spears-conservatorship-documentary.html
 
"The petition to order the LA court to restore audio access was denied," tweeted attorney Christopher C. Melcher.

"The one-sentence rejection is how these orders are issued," Melcher wrote.

The Superior Court of Los Angeles County's Court of Appeal of the State of California, Second Appellate District, Division Two, order stated,

The court has read and considered the petition for writ of mandate filed September 17, 2021. The petition is denied.​

The court didn't give a reason for the denial order. Melcher's tweet included that,
The next step would be the California Supreme Court. But it won't be in time for 9/29. Should we? #FreeBritney​

In a follow-up tweet (Sep 21, 2021, 8:43 PM), attorney Melcher said,
The Calfornia Supreme Court is selective about the cases it takes. This issue affects many people, involves a constitutional claim, and the Chief Justice just issued a report that remote access should be expanded (link below). It may be worth a try.​

The report:
Interim Report: Remote Access to Courts
Workgroup on post-pandemic intiatives
August 16, 2021​

All information should be public. All courtroom hearing should be recorded. This will help stop abusive, broken court systems.

Court access, and ability to record, should be a federal law, not just something for California. It can be one way to help curb abuse.
 
Hearing Britney Spears's voice as she addressed the court on June 23, 2021, was powerful, insightful, and for me, emotional.

Denying audio access is a manipulative strategy and tactic that (unfortunately) benefits a broken court system, and can shield abusers.

Transparency, traceability, and accountability. Courts should allow us— we the people—to have remote audio access and the right to record, for a wide range of court hearings.

Hearing Britney tell her story was powerful. Denying the public remote audio access to a public court hearing like this, on September 29, 2021, erodes the impact of a victim's plight.

Noted in the Interim Report: Remote Access to Courts that attorney Christopher Melcher mentioned, the workgroup recommended:

• California courts should expand and maximize remote access on a permanent basis for most proceedings and should not default to pre-pandemic levels of in-person operations.

• The Judicial Council should encourage and support courts in substantially expanding remote access through all available technology and should promote fairness by adopting balanced policies and encouraging consistency in remote access throughout the state to ensure that Californians have equal access to the courts while providing flexibility to meet local needs.​

Courts should allow remote public audio access and recording; this should be a federal law, and can help curb power of attorney abuse, conservatorship abuse, and guardianship abuse.
 
Hearing Britney Spears's voice as she addressed the court on June 23, 2021, was powerful, insightful, and for me, emotional.

Denying audio access is a manipulative strategy and tactic that (unfortunately) benefits a broken court system, and can shield abusers.

Transparency, traceability, and accountability. Courts should allow us— we the people—to have remote audio access and the right to record, for a wide range of court hearings.

Hearing Britney tell her story was powerful. Denying the public remote audio access to a public court hearing like this, on September 29, 2021, erodes the impact of a victim's plight.

Noted in the Interim Report: Remote Access to Courts that attorney Christopher Melcher mentioned, the workgroup recommended:

• California courts should expand and maximize remote access on a permanent basis for most proceedings and should not default to pre-pandemic levels of in-person operations.

• The Judicial Council should encourage and support courts in substantially expanding remote access through all available technology and should promote fairness by adopting balanced policies and encouraging consistency in remote access throughout the state to ensure that Californians have equal access to the courts while providing flexibility to meet local needs.​

Courts should allow remote public audio access and recording; this should be a federal law, and can help curb power of attorney abuse, conservatorship abuse, and guardianship abuse.

Just so long as trials are not televised. The OJ Trial convinced me that televising trials inherently corrupts the proceedings. When you have the judge and the lawyers for both sides playing to the camera that is a dangerous distortion of justice.
 
Hearing Britney Spears's voice as she addressed the court on June 23, 2021, was powerful, insightful, and for me, emotional.
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That is very likely why audio access was denied. Her June statement made public a can of rotten worms that the courts have tried hard to keep secret.
 
Daddy gets booted.
A Los Angeles judge on Wednesday ordered the suspension of Jamie Spears, father of Britney Spears, as conservator of the pop star’s estate, which he has controlled for 13 years.

John Zabel, a certified public accountant handpicked by Britney Spears’ team, will temporarily succeed Jamie Spears as a fiduciary, interim conservator.
https://www.latimes.com/entertainme...y-spears-conservatorship-hearing-jamie-spears

From the same link:
“Britney is such a perfect example of everything that I’ve been fighting for,” said Mona Montgomery, a 79-year-old former conservatorship attorney from Glendale.

“She represents thousands of people who are presently locked up against their will, with no due process … and she’s an icon of a group of people who need to be freed.”
 
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No doubt, conservatorship laws in the US need to be reformed big time.
What gets to me the apparently lack of any real time limitation to them. At a minimum, any conservatorship neesd to be automatically reviewed ever year.
Wonder how much of Brittiney's money ended up in Daddy's Swiss Bank Account?
 
No doubt, conservatorship laws in the US need to be reformed big time.
What gets to me the apparently lack of any real time limitation to them. At a minimum, any conservatorship neesd to be automatically reviewed ever year.
Wonder how much of Brittiney's money ended up in Daddy's Swiss Bank Account?

Theoretically, in California the conservators are supposed to report to the court regularly, and the conservatorship is supposed to be reviewed every two years. But the basic premise of the conservatorship is that a person is permanently incapacitated, and the subject can't hire his/her own lawyer or doctors. So the court doesn't ask "Has this person been cured of his Alzheimer's?" The court only knows what the conservators say and is biased in their favor. Multiple experts have said it's almost impossible to lift a conservatorship once it's imposed.

In another movie coming out soon, as reported on one of the Hollywood gossip shows, a friend of Spears says she smuggled the paperwork for her to request her own lawyer -- not an end to the conservatorship, just her own lawyer -- to her in a public bathroom, and when the papers were presented to the court, the judge rejected the request on the grounds that she didn't believe it was really Spears' signature.
Several interviewees including Lufti and the singer’s paparazzo ex-boyfriend Adnan Ghalib stated she has a ‘lack of confidence’ in her court-appointed lawyer Samuel D. Ingham III, the legal representation who was appointed to her case while she was hospitalized on an involuntary psychiatric hold in February 2008.

Eliscu, who was Rolling Stone contributing editor at the time, recalled a covert operation in which she allegedly snuck into a bathroom stall with the pop star so she could sign court documents asking for a new attorney.

‘I showed her the spots where she needed to sign, and she signed. She just sort of looked at me and said, “Thank you.” And I said, “I’ll see you again. Go!”‘ the reporter said as she began to cry. ‘She definitely seemed scared. It was hard to tell ’cause I was so scared, but she was appreciative.’

However, nothing changed when the petition made its way to court as Eliscu explained: ‘It had been ruled that she lacked capacity to choose her own lawyer and that they had cast enough doubt on to whether that was her signature. I never heard anything of it again. No one ever talked about it again.’
https://www.websitefriend.com/shock...cret-bathroom-meetings-and-x-factor-conflict/

So Spears was able to get a petition directly to the court, and the court didn't believe her. That's what Spears was dealing with.

More on the Netflix special:
As the filmmakers explain, when you file a conservatorship, part of the paperwork involves checking off a reason that the person is unable to manage their own life. The paperwork for Britney’s conservatorship checks off “orders related to dementia placement.” This is highly unusual for cases involving young people, Carr and Eliscu note on-screen.
As they probe the documents of the case, the filmmakers reveal that the doctor who signed off on Britney’s alleged condition, Dr. J. Edward Spar, is a geriatric psychiatrist.

Britney was hardly elderly — she was 27 in 2008.

Further, within two months of this report proclaiming that Britney suffered from dementia, she was back to work, filming a guest appearance in an episode of “How I Met Your Mother.” “How is someone who was that ill well enough to go to work?” Carr asks on-screen.
https://nypost.com/2021/09/28/new-britney-vs-spears-doc-on-netflix-the-wildest-revelations/

So the original basis for the conservatorship was outright fraud.
 
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Theoretically, in California the conservators are supposed to report to the court regularly, and the conservatorship is supposed to be reviewed every two years. But the basic premise of the conservatorship is that a person is permanently incapacitated, and the subject can't hire his/her own lawyer or doctors. So the court doesn't ask "Has this person been cured of his Alzheimer's?" The court only knows what the conservators say and is biased in their favor. Multiple experts have said it's almost impossible to lift a conservatorship once it's imposed.

In another movie coming out soon, as reported on one of the Hollywood gossip shows, a friend of Spears says she smuggled the paperwork for her to request her own lawyer -- not an end to the conservatorship, just her own lawyer -- to her in a public bathroom, and when the papers were presented to the court, the judge rejected the request on the grounds that she didn't believe it was really Spears' signature. That's what Spears was dealing with.

You know what, Bob? You may not believe this, but if all of this comes to pass, and it is determined that Britney should be "freed", I will be just as happy as you. However, I still stick by thoughts of letting this play out with the medical professionals and the courts.

The court of public opinion is not how I would like my life determined. Either way.

I just hope that public pressure hasn't influenced this in a way that makes it turn out to be a cautionary tale that doesn't help her in the long run.
 
You know what, Bob? You may not believe this, but if all of this comes to pass, and it is determined that Britney should be "freed", I will be just as happy as you. However, I still stick by thoughts of letting this play out with the medical professionals and the courts.

The court of public opinion is not how I would like my life determined. Either way.

I just hope that public pressure hasn't influenced this in a way that makes it turn out to be a cautionary tale that doesn't help her in the long run.


You don't seem willing to grasp the mounting evidence that indicates that this conservatorship was imposed fraudulently in the first place. Spears was never suffering from dementia or severe brain damage, the primary grounds for imposing a conservatorship. Ordinary mental challenges are routinely treated without such extreme measures. She continued to earn hundreds of millions of dollars -- which Daddy controlled and benefited from -- in an intensely demanding industry after she was ruled unfit to conduct the simplest aspects of daily life, like ordering the dinners she wanted. Public pressure may be all that will save her from continuing exploitation and criminal abuse.
Conservatorships are somewhat rare in the United States, and the arrangement itself involves putting a vulnerable adult (such as someone who is senile or severely developmentally disabled) under the authority of another adult, usually to protect the vulnerable adult from being taken advantage of. The arrangement — which can be severely restricting on the vulnerable adult, in that they usually surrender their financial decisions, medical decisions and day-to-day schedule to the conservator — is usually only applied in cases where the vulnerable adult is unable to feed, clothe or house themselves.

It’s rare for a conservatee to, say, have a job, which is one reason the Spears conservatorship has seemed strange to so many: In the years since her conservatorship was established, Spears has released several albums and performed multiple tours in the United States and abroad.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts-entertainment/2021/09/29/jamie-spears-suspended-britney-spears/
 
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Wasn't Britney the one that "forgot" to wear panties, and proved it?

So, a mental issue on the level of "streaking"? Dementia?
 
Theoretically, in California the conservators are supposed to report to the court regularly, and the conservatorship is supposed to be reviewed every two years. But the basic premise of the conservatorship is that a person is permanently incapacitated, and the subject can't hire his/her own lawyer or doctors. So the court doesn't ask "Has this person been cured of his Alzheimer's?" The court only knows what the conservators say and is biased in their favor. Multiple experts have said it's almost impossible to lift a conservatorship once it's imposed.

In another movie coming out soon, as reported on one of the Hollywood gossip shows, a friend of Spears says she smuggled the paperwork for her to request her own lawyer -- not an end to the conservatorship, just her own lawyer -- to her in a public bathroom, and when the papers were presented to the court, the judge rejected the request on the grounds that she didn't believe it was really Spears' signature.
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You know what, Bob? You may not believe this, but if all of this comes to pass, and it is determined that Britney should be "freed", I will be just as happy as you. However, I still stick by thoughts of letting this play out with the medical professionals and the courts.

The court of public opinion is not how I would like my life determined. Either way.

I just hope that public pressure hasn't influenced this in a way that makes it turn out to be a cautionary tale that doesn't help her in the long run.



The court of public opinion helped save Britney Spears.

Addressing the media after the September 29, 2021, hearing, in which Jamie Spears was suspended as conservator, Britney's attorney, Mathew Rosengart said,
I think the support of the Free Britney movement has been instrumental, to the extent that it allowed my firm to carry the ball across the finish line. I thank them as well. [1] [2] [3] [4]​

People in the #FreeBritney movement felt Britney wasn't being treated justly. Their allegations weren't arbitrary, unsupported allegations. Their use of social media reached/reaches millions of people.

The #FreeBritney movement was instrumental in bringing an abusive, exploitative, and fraudulent conservatorship, into the public's eye.

There are dishonest, corrupt people in court systems, the legal profession, and medical professions (among other professions). No, I don't hate everybody in certain professions, but I recognize the danger some crooked people pose.

Things aren't always easy and straight forward either, because someone might be duped into going along with something, unaware of an abuser's intentions. It's complicated.

The court of public opinion helped/is helping to free Britney Spears, and to call attention to abusive, exploitative, and fraudulent, conservatorships/guardianships.

Sources:

[1] USA Today. (2021, Sep 30). Britney Spears' father, Jamie Spears, has been suspended as conservator of her estate | USA TODAY [Video]. YouTube. 0:46 into video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v30BtKmeo4g

[2] Access. (2021, Sep 29). Britney Spears' Attorney Believes Jamie Spears Will Face 'More Serious Ramifications' [Video]. YouTube. 4:03 into video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGKWbA3sM24

[3] CNN. (2021, Sep 29). A lot happened in the conservatorship of Britney Spears on Wednesday. Get caught up https[colon]//www.cnn[dot]com/entertainment/live-news/britney-spears-conservatorship-hearing-09-29-21/index.html

[4] Rosenbaum, Claudia. (2021, Sep 30). Britney Spears’s Father Jamie Suspended From Conservatorship After 13 Years. Vulture.com. https://www.vulture.com/2021/09/britney-spears-father-jamie-suspended-from-conservatorship.html
 
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