Texas bans abortion.

[Stacyhs]

Then why did you ask me if I was a man or woman?

Because it would help me better understand what view you may be coming from and I also dislike not knowing if the people I am speaking with are male or female. I hate having to use s/he or 'their' instead of "his or her". It's just a pet peeve of mine.

And no, it was not a 'trap' of any kind. I don't believe I've been anything but civil and welcoming to you. Some people here are just intent on being pot stirrers.

 

[Warbler]

Warbler is.

Let's look at what I originally said:

When the reasons for the abortion in lack of finances, home, stable environment, lack of ability to care for the child, perhaps yes, in some cases. (not rape, incest, or when the woman's life is in danger)

 

[Warbler]

Because it would help me better understand what view you may be coming from and I also dislike not knowing if the people I am speaking with are male or female. I hate having to use s/he or 'their' instead of "his or her". It's just a pet peeve of mine.

And no, it was not a 'trap' of any kind. I don't believe I've been anything but civil and welcoming to you. Some people here are just intent on being pot stirrers.

Okay, and I did not call it is trap. Someone else said that. I thought it possible it could have been. But I believe you when you say it was not.

 

[abaddon]

If you must know, I am male. But may I remind you there are many females whom are pro-life and would prefer that a woman give a child up for adoption rather than aborting it.

Maybe you are right because I am a guy that I can't relate. But I can't can't understand why you prefer abortion than having someone else raise the child. At least with adoption, the child is still alive.

I am also a guy. And I find the nuttery that women should be legally forced to carry to term only to give the child up to adoption and an unknown fate to be abhorrent and flat out immoral.

One only has to look at the "christian" solution. Put those adoptee children in "adoption" homes. Rape those and sell them after to the highest bidder. Or kill them and chuck them in a sewer. That is the religious way.

Or it was until they got caught doing it. Tried to cover it up. Still got caught. Flat out lied. Still got caught. Tried to move the perps around. Still got caught.

So holy of them.

Much more humane, that? Yes? No?

And what did you do to stop any of it, Mr. holier than anyone? Nothing. You did not care so long as you had some sort of plausible deniability.

Well, I got off my butt and became actively involved in tracking down these religious abusers.

And you did nothing.

 

[Stacyhs]

If you must know, I am male. But may I remind you there are many females whom are pro-life and would prefer that a woman give a child up for adoption rather than aborting it.

Maybe you are right because I am a guy that I can't relate. But I can't can't understand why you prefer abortion than having someone else raise the child. At least with adoption, the child is still alive.

I never said that; you inferred it. But I do think that men and women can see some things very differently simply because we are different. I realize that I don't understand how men feel about some things that are totally typically male oriented. For example, football.

 

[Warbler]

That is a personal opinion and you would have every right to make that decision for yourself if you were a pregnant woman. I don't consider an early stage embryo 'alive'.

It is also a personal opinion when you say "I don't consider an early stage embryo 'alive'. See what whether or not that fetus is alive and whether or not it has rights is crutch of whether not abortion is just a personal decision.

I saw on TV just last night a case where a couple's fetus was diagnosed with a developmental brain condition at 19 weeks gestation. The child is now 7, and is severely mentally and physically disabled. She cannot talk or walk. She's the size of a 4 year old and will die early. They chose not to abort which was their right. They've had no more children and their entire lives rotate around taking care of her. Me? I would have aborted because I know I could not have done that. And who would have adopted a child in that condition? She would be institutionalized until she died.

I was not referring to situations when there is something wrong with the fetus.

I was only taking about situations where the only reasons for the abortion was lack of finances, home, stable environment, ability to care of the child.

 

[Stacyhs]

Okay, and I did not call it is trap. Someone else said that. I thought it possible it could have been. But I believe you when you say it was not.

I know that.

If it had been a trap, I think the obvious reply from me would have been "Aha! You're not a woman so how would you know how we women feel?" But the sad reality is, there is a small handful of people around here who enjoy nothing better than pot stirring and causing problems with childish behavior. You are definitely not one of those.

 

[abaddon]

It is also a personal opinion when you say "I don't consider an early stage embryo 'alive'. See what whether or not that fetus is alive and whether or not it has rights is crutch of whether not abortion is just a personal decision.




I was not referring to situations when there is something wrong with the fetus.

I was only taking about situations where the only reasons for the abortion was lack of finances, home, stable environment, ability to care of the child.

Nice plagiarism there.

So you think that it is better for a child to be born into poverty, starvation, violence and neglect.

Why do you hate babies so much?

 

[Warbler]

I never said that; you inferred it.

That is because I suspected it possible that you were inferring it. You did ask whether I was male or female, when we were talking about abortion.

But I do think that men and women can see some things very differently simply because we are different. I realize that I don't understand how men feel about some things that are totally typically male oriented.

That is possible.

For example, football.

ha ha. But I have notices more and more female football fans through the years.

 

[Stacyhs]

It is also a personal opinion when you say "I don't consider an early stage embryo 'alive'. See what whether or not that fetus is alive and whether or not it has rights is crutch of whether not abortion is just a personal decision.

Of course it's a personal opinion and I agree with you. I've said so on more than one occasion. When science cannot tell us when a fetus becomes a sentient human being, then it all boils down to opinion. That is why I believe in CHOICE.

I was not referring to situations when there is something wrong with the fetus.

I was only taking about situations where the only reasons for the abortion was lack of finances, home, stable environment, ability to care of the child.

I know that, too. I was explaining a real life situation of a fetal abnormality that would make adoption extremely difficult if not impossible and why I, personally, would have aborted. Remember that many hold the view that it would still have been 'murder' to abort that fetus at 19 weeks.

 

[Warp12]

I know that.

If it had been a trap, I think the obvious reply from me would have been "Aha! You're not a woman so how would you know how we women feel?" But the sad reality is, there is a small handful of people around here who enjoy nothing better than pot stirring and causing problems with childish behavior. You are definitely not one of those.

We don't always spring the trap immediately, you see. But, there is really no other good reason to pose the question in a debate, other than to weaponize it. Warbler will see, in the long run.

 

[Stacyhs]

That is because I suspected it possible that you were inferring it. You did ask whether I was male or female, when we were talking about abortion.

No, I was not implying that at all.

ha ha. But I have notices more and more female football fans through the years.

Weirdos!

 

[Warbler]

I am also a guy. And I find the nuttery that women should be legally forced to carry to term only to give the child up to adoption and an unknown fate to be abhorrent and flat out immoral.

some would say an unknown fate is better than death. Btw, when I said adoption, I was talking about a situation when proper research and background checks are done to make sure the perspective parents can and will properly care for the child.

One only has to look at the "christian" solution. Put those adoptee children in "adoption" homes. Rape those and sell them after to the highest bidder. Or kill them and chuck them in a sewer. That is the religious way.

seriously? that is certainly not my way.

And what did you do to stop any of it, Mr. holier than anyone? Nothing. You did not care so long as you had some sort of plausible deniability.

Well, I got off my butt and became actively involved in tracking down these religious abusers.

And you did nothing.

What the heck are you talking about? It is quite clear you have an axe to grind against religious people. I myself have never had anything to do with people raping anyone or selling children to the highest bidder or any of that crap, and I never would. I also assure you if I had any knowledge of anyone doing that, I would head straight to the police.

 

[Stacyhs]

We don't always spring the trap immediately, you see. But, there is really no other good reason to pose the question in a debate, other than to weaponize it. Warbler will see, in the long run.

You're projecting again.

 

[Warbler]

Nice plagiarism there.

I thought quoting others' posts was perfectly allowed here.

So you think that it is better for a child to be born into poverty, starvation, violence and neglect.

Why do you hate babies so much?

stop putting words in my mouth. I don't believe any of that.

 

[Warbler]

No, I was not implying that at all.

But sure, you can see why I might suspect that you were? Again, I believe you when you say weren't setting a trap

Weirdos!

lol

 

[Stacyhs]

I am also a guy. And I find the nuttery that women should be legally forced to carry to term only to give the child up to adoption and an unknown fate to be abhorrent and flat out immoral.[/qoute]

some would say an unknown fate is better than death. Btw, when I said adoption, I was talking about a situation when proper research and background checks are done to make sure the perspective parents can and will properly care for the child.



seriously? that is certainly not my way.



What the heck are you talking about? It is quite clear you have an axe to grind against religious people. I myself have never had anything to do with people raping anyone or selling children to the highest bidder or any of that crap, and I never would. I also assure you if I had any knowledge of anyone doing that, I would head straight to the police.

I believe abbadon is referring to what happened in Ireland such as this:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54693159

and this:

https://adoptionland.org/3806/philo...abies-sold-by-nuns-to-rich-american-families/

 

[abaddon]

I thought quoting others' posts was perfectly allowed here.

It is. But you did not quote me, you copied my words and passed them off as your own. That is called lying and as far as I know, you mad religion has rules about that. Perhaps you have not read them.

stop putting words in my mouth. I don't believe any of that.

You absolutely do. Aborting an embryo or a fetus is horrific to you. Abandoning a living child to whatever fate is OK with you. Just so long as it has been born first. After that, who cares? Certainly not you. Your only interest is controlling women. You flat out told us so.

So were you lying then, or are you lying now?

 

[abaddon]

I believe abbadon is referring to what happened in Ireland such as this:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54693159

and this:

https://adoptionland.org/3806/philo...abies-sold-by-nuns-to-rich-american-families/

Yes.

Also this...

Savita Halappanavar (née Savita Andanappa Yalagi; 9 September 1981 – 28 October 2012) was a dentist of Indian origin, living in Ireland who died from septic miscarriage when, following an incomplete miscarriage, medical staff at University Hospital Galway denied on legal grounds her request for an abortion.

Can't save the baby? Let both baby and mother die. After all it is just a mere woman and those are chattel according to the magic book.

 

[Fast Eddie B]

I don't consider an early stage embryo 'alive'.

I thought we had sort of all stipulated that it was alive. An ultrasound sadly sometimes determines that it has died.

I don’t think it’s a false dichotomy to say it’s either alive or dead. I vote for alive*.




*Which does not imply human being or personhood or inherent rights or what have you.