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Texas bans abortion.

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In many ways, it's easy to be an insane right winger, because you don't have to pretend to care about nuances like rape or whatever. If you're a fundie freak, every sperm is sacred, even those that come from a violent rapist. Women that get knocked up in a rape just have to deal with the unwanted miracle that was forced upon them.

The only way out is through Abbott, become the extreme right Christian domionist your supporters desperately crave.
 
I am tickled by the idea that rape has been a 100% solvable problem, but there just hasn't been political interest enough for Abbott to do anything about it until now.
 
Again. I request a non-troll, non-purely semantic answer to the following questions.

- What problem is the Texas Law intended to solve?
- How does it actually solve it?
- What exactly are we holding women "accountable" for in regards to them getting pregnant.
- Why is abortion as a means of birth control any more problematic than any other?
- Why are in-Vito clinics still operating in Texas?

All of this questions can be answered without clarifying any one specific term and without faux-philosophical handwringing about any thing.
 
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Fast Eddie B said:
I’m trying to think back to anyone in this thread who has supported the Texas bill.

Has there been anyone?
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Yeah sure just like every other thread where there's multiple people who swear and up down they aren't on something side but spend the entire thread arguing for it.

Just like there isn't a single Trump supporter on this website.
 
Warbler said:
Maybe I missing something, but I don't understand this logic of comparing a cancerous tumor to an embryo or a fetus.

I mean a cancerous tumor doesn't develop into this:

[IMGW=250]https://platform.nashvilleparent.com/media/Baby%20Girl.jpg?raw=1[/IMGW]
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Depending on what makes it a "cancerous tumor", it might be possible to make it develop into something like that.

Generally speaking, by the time you see a cancer you have cells with genetic material that is severely broken. However, it is not always so and in some cases the malignant phenotype can be reversed (I think we are mostly about talking experimental settings, though). That is, in theory, depending on what is broken & how badly it is broken, in some edge cases some cells can be encouraged to behave like a malignancy or to revert to acting like a normal cell.

In such a scenario, I could imagine that after some manipulation we could also reprogram this cell into an embryonic path development instead of a terminal somatic differentiation path.

But more to the point, a biopsy specimen from a human is also going to be human but it won't be a huma being. Nevertheless, we should be able to have some such clinical specimens develop into human beings if we use the proper techniques (we call that cloning).
 
JoeMorgue said:
Again. I request a non-troll, non-purely semantic answer to the following questions.
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To be clear, I do NOT support the Texas Law in question, but I will try to answer your questions

JoeMorgue said:
- What problem is the Texas Law intended to solve?
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The "problem" of women getting abortions which some equate to murder.


JoeMorgue said:
- How does it actually solve it?
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It is a terrible solution. It tries to solve it by making legal to sue anyone and everyone involved in an abortion. This could include someone whom drove to woman to place where the abortion was going to take place, or perhaps a person that gave the woman advice to have an abortion. The law stinks, no doubt about it. In my opinion, it gives a bad name to anyone whom is in any way pro life or against abortions.

JoeMorgue said:
- What exactly are we holding women "accountable" for in regards to them getting pregnant.
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I am certainly not for holding women accountable for getting pregnant. Being against some or all abortions shouldn't be about punishing anyone or holding anyone accountable for anything, it should be about the fetus having value and rights.

JoeMorgue said:
- Why is abortion as a means of birth control any more problematic than any other?
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Most birth control methods involving the stopping the pregnancy before conception. Abortion does so after conception. Many believe conception is where life begins. As for myself, I am uncertain when life begins

JoeMorgue said:
- Why are in-Vito clinics still operating in Texas?
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Don't know and I don't know what it has to do with Texas' abortion law. I am assuming "in-Vito clinics" are those clinics that help couples getting pregnant that otherwise are having trouble doing so on their own.
 
cosmicaug said:
Depending on what makes it a "cancerous tumor", it might be possible to make it develop into something like that.

Generally speaking, by the time you see a cancer you have cells with genetic material that is severely broken. However, it is not always so and in some cases the malignant phenotype can be reversed (I think we are mostly about talking experimental settings, though). That is, in theory, depending on what is broken & how badly it is broken, in some edge cases some cells can be encouraged to behave like a malignancy or to revert to acting like a normal cell.

In such a scenario, I could imagine that after some manipulation we could also reprogram this cell into an embryonic path development instead of a terminal somatic differentiation path.

But more to the point, a biopsy specimen from a human is also going to be human but it won't be a huma being. Nevertheless, we should be able to have some such clinical specimens develop into human beings if we use the proper techniques (we call that cloning).
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Cloning, which basically creates a copy of the human the cell or body part comes from. An embryo is developing into a totally new and separate and unique human life because it was created by the combination two cells for two separate individuals. Also an embryo automatically put in a condition where it is developing into human being. A cancer cell or any other is not unless we take certain steps in a lab.
 
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Warbler said:
To be clear, I do NOT support the Texas Law in question, but I will try to answer your questions


The "problem" of women getting abortions which some equate to murder.



It is a terrible solution. It tries to solve it by making legal to sue anyone and everyone involved in an abortion. This could include someone whom drove to woman to place where the abortion was going to take place, or perhaps a person that gave the woman advice to have an abortion. The law stinks, no doubt about it. In my opinion, it gives a bad name to anyone whom is in any way pro life or against abortions.



I am certainly not for holding women accountable for getting pregnant. Being against some or all abortions shouldn't be about punishing anyone or holding anyone accountable for anything, it should be about the fetus having value and rights.



Most birth control methods involving the stopping the pregnancy before conception. Abortion does so after conception. Many believe conception is where life begins. As for myself, I am uncertain when life begins



Don't know and I don't know what it has to do with Texas' abortion law. I am assuming "in-Vito clinics" are those clinics that help couples getting pregnant that otherwise are having trouble doing so on their own.
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In vitro clinics may freeze embryos for years. If that embryo is a human being, then those embryos may never be destroyed.
 
Warp12 said:
It might look like an early term abortion. Of course, some will decide to carry a baby to term, even under these circumstances. I mean, if you have taken precautions (and even if you haven't) and a pregnancy occurs, the next decision is whether to carry to term. Being personally accountable is to make that decision as early as possible.
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Great, so if any woman takes the appropriate, responsible action of considering that she cannot, for reasons financial, lack of a home, lack of a stable environment, lack of ability to care for the child, other, you favour abortion on the basis of that womans decision.

Or you were telling porkies all along.

Your choice.
 
Stacyhs said:
In vitro clinics may freeze embryos for years. If that embryo is a human being, then those embryos may never be destroyed.
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True, you'd be against the destruction of these embryos if you were 100% pure pro-life. But I don't know that you'd be against the mere existence of In vitro clinics themselves. In fact, you'd probably want those frozen embryos put in women so then can develop into humans.
 
Warbler said:
I am not exactly sure how far developed the fetus is at 6 weeks. For all I know it does resemble a clump of cells for a some amount of time after 6 weeks. Also may be different with each fetus. Some might develop faster/slower than others.
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What? You admit you have not the foggiest clue about fetal development right up to birth. But you are willing to pontificate about abortion despite admitting you have no clue?

Really?

Just shows how religion poisons everything. I am sure you are a nice person. It took religion to MAKE you believe this obnoxious rubbish.
 
abaddon said:
Great, so if any woman takes the appropriate, responsible action of considering that she cannot, for reasons financial, lack of a home, lack of a stable environment, lack of ability to care for the child, other, you favour abortion on the basis of that womans decision.

Or you were telling porkies all along.

Your choice.
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You forgot about putting baby up for adoption, which basically takes care about the concern finances, lack of home, lack of stable environment, and lack of ability to care for the child.
 
abaddon said:
What? You admit you have not the foggiest clue about fetal development right up to birth. But you are willing to pontificate about abortion despite admitting you have no clue?

Really?

Just shows how religion poisons everything. I am sure you are a nice person. It took religion to MAKE you believe this obnoxious rubbish.
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All I was saying was that I am not a medical expert and do not have expert knowledge on the development of a fetus. I therefor would not want to make an assumption on much a fetus as developed by six weeks. For all I know it might still look like a clump of cells

I was pontificating about abortion?

As for religion, I did not mention it in this thread. I don't believe I used here to justify any stance I might have on abortion.

btw, your statement about "how religion poisons everything", makes it seem like you have some axe to grind about religion or religious people.

Just what "obnoxious rubbish" do you think I believe?
 
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