Texas bans abortion.

[Stacyhs]

Basically there is nothing you can say after that, that will validate your opinion.
As usual. Much like the "abortion has great benefits when it comes to population control" argument that you promote.

This is why I can't take your arguments seriously.

Have you considered that not listening past the point that you think 'says it all' may be a problem?

 

[Warp12]

Have you considered that not listening past the point that you think 'says it all' may be a problem?

This is like saying:

"I endorse killing Jews. But hear me out on my opinion about civil rights.".

Yeah, not interested.

 

[Stacyhs]

Uhh, ok. How about at 23 weeks?



People really stretch around here, to be part of the "group".

Then stop bringing it up and/or trying to defend it. I am not the most recent person you challenged on it.

Ummmm....YOU brought it up.

As mgidm86 said:

Just drop the gawdamn parasite thing already geez.

 

[Stacyhs]

This is like saying:

"I endorse killing Jews. But hear me out on my opinion about civil rights.".

Yeah, not interested.

Another false equivalency.
And it's a whopper!

 

[acbytesla]

Uhh, ok. How about at 23 weeks?

This is not a negotiation. The rules of Roe v Wade work just fine.

People really stretch around here, to be part of the "group".

The only group I'm interested in participating in is group sex.

Otherwise, I'm not interested in a group which would have me as a member.

 

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
That's not emotionalizing anything. Those are facts. A <24 week gestation fetus is only partially formed, feeds off the host, and it cannot live outside the host body. That's a parasite.

How about dropping the hysterical outrage and tell me exactly which part of the highlighted is false?

1. Is a <24 week gestation fetus only partially formed? Yes or no?

2. Does a <24 week gestation fetus get its nutrition from the mother aka host? Yes or no?

3. Does a parasite get its nutrition off its host? Yes or no?

Without going into outrage mode, just answer the questions. And do not tell me to stop addressing it when you brought it up.

 

[Warp12]

Just drop the gawdamn parasite thing already geez.

The main relevance that it has in the first place is pretty much just countering the purely emotive angle of "It's so horrible to murder cute, innocent, harmless, defenseless human babies that haven't been born yet!" And the response to that counter is little more than "It's so sick that you wouldn't count them as cute, innocent, harmless, defenseless human babies that just haven't been born yet!" and "Stop saying they're not human!"

It's certainly true that it's not a bad thing to drop the parasite tangent. It would be best to just leave out the entire appeal to "But they're babies!" in the first place, though.

The point of the term parasite is that this organism (fetus) is sometimes unwanted and that it takes a health toll on the person that has it. It's wrong for me or anyone to force another to endure that toll when that person doesn't want to.

"jUsT drOP the ParasITE thinG!"

I notice no calls for the anti-choice side to "just drop" calling a clump of a dozen cells "a baby."

I know I was just getting a headach scrolling past it. It's annoying to read for a page and a half. Has nothing to do with me thinking it's a parasite or not. I don't care either way.

No I'm just sick of reading the discussion on it. I have no special love for babies LOL, call 'em parasites all you want. Let's just move on. That's all.

There are probably far more human cells in a single wart than there are in an embryo at 6 weeks. Yet we freeze or chemically remove warts off our skin without a qualm.

Ummmm....YOU brought it up.

As mgidm86 said:

Who brought it up?

 

[Stacyhs]

Uhh, ok. How about at 23 weeks?



People really stretch around here, to be part of the "group".

While others really stretch around here to NOT be part of the "group" even if it means denying the scientific facts.

 

[Stacyhs]

Who brought it up?

You did by quoting ME after the topic had moved on.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=13611056#post13611056

 

[Warp12]

Just drop the gawdamn parasite thing already geez.

The main relevance that it has in the first place is pretty much just countering the purely emotive angle of "It's so horrible to murder cute, innocent, harmless, defenseless human babies that haven't been born yet!" And the response to that counter is little more than "It's so sick that you wouldn't count them as cute, innocent, harmless, defenseless human babies that just haven't been born yet!" and "Stop saying they're not human!"

It's certainly true that it's not a bad thing to drop the parasite tangent. It would be best to just leave out the entire appeal to "But they're babies!" in the first place, though.

The point of the term parasite is that this organism (fetus) is sometimes unwanted and that it takes a health toll on the person that has it. It's wrong for me or anyone to force another to endure that toll when that person doesn't want to.

"jUsT drOP the ParasITE thinG!"

I notice no calls for the anti-choice side to "just drop" calling a clump of a dozen cells "a baby."

I know I was just getting a headach scrolling past it. It's annoying to read for a page and a half. Has nothing to do with me thinking it's a parasite or not. I don't care either way.

No I'm just sick of reading the discussion on it. I have no special love for babies LOL, call 'em parasites all you want. Let's just move on. That's all.

You did by quoting ME after the topic had moved on.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=13611056#post13611056

I was responding to Norman Alexander, and just pointing out that "6 weeks" is not the "parasite" argument in this thread. Besides, I have already made pretty clear what I think about the "parasite" argument. Some of it is even in this thread. I'd love to move on...but nobody is willing to drop it, it seems.

 

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
There are probably far more human cells in a single wart than there are in an embryo at 6 weeks. Yet we freeze or chemically remove warts off our skin without a qualm.

This has nothing to do with "parasite".

This post at 1:47:

No I'm just sick of reading the discussion on it. I have no special love for babies LOL, call 'em parasites all you want. Let's just move on. That's all.

I then responded with this at 1:50:

I for one would gladly drop it if it wasn't constantly being thrown back at us by the "OMG! I'm so morally outraged!" contingent.

This post at 1:54

No I'm just sick of reading the discussion on it. I have no special love for babies LOL, call 'em parasites all you want. Let's just move on. That's all.

After that there were several posts having ZERO to do with "parasites" until 3;41 when you brought it up again by quoting an old post of mine from 19th September 2021, 12:58 AM . That's over a WEEK AGO.

Even in the posts above, we were not discussing whether zygotes, embryos or fetus are or are not parasites. It was about how it's been done to death and to just please drop it. But YOU brought it back up again an hour and a half later in order to stir the pot once again. Sheesh.

 

[Warp12]

Hey, as long as nobody brings up the argument again, I won't have to. So far, this hasn't been the case.

 

[Warp12]

Just to make it easier, here is something directly related to the TX Law. Ways people are getting around it:

Plan C, an organization that provides information about how to order abortion pills online and provides advice about avoiding legal trouble, says traffic on its website has skyrocketed since Texas’ law, Senate Bill 8, took effect.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...etting-around-new-texas-abortion-law-n1279961

No word on if the sites promoting "responsible proactive methods of birth control" have seen increased activity.

 

[Aridas]

Hey, as long as nobody brings up the argument again, I won't have to. So far, this hasn't been the case.

 

[acbytesla]

Just to make it easier, here is something directly related to the TX Law. Ways people are getting around it:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...etting-around-new-texas-abortion-law-n1279961

No word on if the sites promoting "responsible methods of birth control" have seen increased activity.

You do understand that information to birth control is not affected by the Texas law?

And the issue for pregnant women in Texas that want or require an abortion is the problem?

 

[Stacyhs]

I was responding to Norman Alexander, and just pointing out that "6 weeks" is not the "parasite" argument in this thread. Besides, I have already made pretty clear what I think about the "parasite" argument. Some of it is even in this thread. I'd love to move on...but nobody is willing to drop it, it seems.

LOL! Norman's post said zero about anything having to do with parasites. He was talking about the number of cells and specifically said 'at 6 weeks'.

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
There are probably far more human cells in a single wart than there are in an embryo at 6 weeks. Yet we freeze or chemically remove warts off our skin without a qualm.

YOU then dragged it back to the whole parasite thing by quoting my over a week ago post:

Uhh, ok. How about at 23 weeks?
People really stretch around here, to be part of the "group".

Hey, as long as nobody brings up the argument again, I won't have to. So far, this hasn't been the case.

 

[Warp12]

LOL! Norman's post said zero about anything having to do with parasites. He was talking about the number of cells and specifically said 'at 6 weeks'.

<See post he was responding to>

YOU then dragged it back to the whole parasite thing by quoting my over a week ago post:

So, what about this "parasite" thing you are bringing up? Any comments on my link to an article on the TX law?

Just to make it easier, here is something directly related to the TX Law. Ways people are getting around it:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...etting-around-new-texas-abortion-law-n1279961

Plan C, an organization that provides information about how to order abortion pills online and provides advice about avoiding legal trouble, says traffic on its website has skyrocketed since Texas’ law, Senate Bill 8, took effect.

No word on if the sites promoting "responsible proactive methods of birth control" have seen increased activity.

 

[Norman Alexander]

Uhh, ok. How about at 23 weeks?

So let's make miscarriage and stillbirths illegal now. They do in Nicaragua, so that's good enough for Texas.

People really stretch around here, to be part of the "group".

Strawman much?

 

[Warp12]

So let's make miscarriage and stillbirths illegal now. They do in Nicaragua, so that's good enough for Texas.

What does that have to do with anything being discussed here? How do you relate it to my comment?

 

[Stacyhs]

Getting an appointment for an abortion in New Mexico has become very difficult as they've seen an influx from desperate women in Texas:

New Mexico abortion clinics see influx from Texas

Dial the hotline for the National Abortion Federation, and the first recorded message you will hear features a woman’s voice, asking if the caller is from Texas.

The federation, founded in the late 1970s, recently set up a special hotline for women from Texas looking for legal abortion services after a new law took effect Sept. 1, prohibiting the procedure after cardiac activity is detected in an embryo, or around six weeks of pregnancy.

Neta Meltzer, a spokeswoman for Planned Parenthood of the Rocky Mountains, called the new Texas Heartbeat Act a “virtual complete ban,” largely because most women don’t realize they are pregnant as soon as six weeks. She cited Texas’ 24-hour mandatory waiting period as another barrier to women legally ending a pregnancy before a heartbeat is discovered.

Women in Texas are now looking to clinics in other states to procure abortion services — including New Mexico.

The Very Rev. Katherine Hancock Ragsdale, an Episcopal priest and president of the National Abortion Federation, said in an interview, “New Mexico and Oklahoma … when Texas does something stupid, those are the first places people turn to. They’re already the places people are going [for abortion].”

But their options are limited here: The state has only three medical providers that perform surgical abortions, and all are located in Albuquerque: Planned Parenthood of the Rocky Mountains’ Albuquerque Surgical Center, the University of New Mexico’s Center for Reproductive Health and Southwestern Women’s Options.

According to data from Planned Parenthood of the Rocky Mountains, its New Mexico clinics provided abortions to an average of 8.8 Texas women per week before the new law went into effect. In the first week after it was enacted, they provided abortions for 20 Texas women and have at least 64 more scheduled.

Abortion rights supporters say women traveling to New Mexico from out of state for an abortion will experience additional emotional, physical, mental and financial stress.

They may need to take extra time off of work, find child care, gas up the tank for hundreds of miles of travel and find temporary lodging, said Adrienne Mansanares, chief experience officer for Planned Parenthood of the Rocky Mountains. Those extra burdens add to an already high level of “shame or guilt. They are fearful. You can see terror on people’s faces,” she added.

So, what about this "parasite" thing you are bringing up? Any comments on my link to an article on the TX law?

Nice try.