Texas bans abortion.

[Stacyhs]

Let's cut to the chase. Yes, there are cases of incest and rape. But that is not the largest demographic for abortion. If you decide to have sex, you have made a choice. Even if using birth control, you know that there is a chance that you may become pregnant.
I don't believe in virgin births, do you? Of course not. I do believe though, that personal accountability is important...and that seems to be a lost concept with some people (not saying you).

Now, all of that being said, I don't support this TX law. Because, I understand the world isn't perfect. And quite simply, 6 weeks is too early for many women to even know they are pregnant.

And yet you consistently argue that abortion is "murder".

Murder is not exactly "emotive" language, imo, when accurate. I mean, how else can one characterize it? Exterminating life? What do you expect? Look at the photo that Stacy provided.

Here's the photo I provided of an 8 week embryo which you insist would be 'murdered' if aborted.



After which you posted this:

Are you saying it is ok to murder that forming child? Gross.

The only way to 100% avoid pregnancy is not to have sex. Unless you're the Virgin Mary, of course. So what you're really saying is that, in order to have "personal accountability " the only really choice a 'responsible' woman could make is not to have any sex at all unless she is willing to give birth.

No, not at all.

I don't see how what you wrote could be interpreted any other way than as I did.

But the focus seems to be on zero accountability. As always.

How so? How is having an unwanted pregnancy having "zero accountability"? The majority of women who get pregnant were actually using birth control at the time or were raped/date raped. I cited that fact previously. How is that having "zero accountability"?

If I felt the way you describe, I wouldn't be against this TX law.

From everything else you've written, you see abortion as murder no matter what state of development. You had a conniption fit when I posted a pic of an 8 week old embryo and asked me if I was sayin it was "OK to murder that forming child? Ew." I'm getting whiplash from watching you say it's murder out of one side of your mouth and then declaring that you're against the TX abortion law out of the other side. So which is it?

 

[JimOfAllTrades]

Some around here claim it isn't sarcasm, you know.

And why does that matter? Isn't being clear, especially in medium that gives limited communication, the most important thing? Why not just make your points?

However, on reflection that's probably off topic in this discussion. I apologize for bringing it up.

 

[acbytesla]

I am not religious. Mind blown, right? There went that argument.

But you still are dodging the question about "accountability."

It's your argument. Don't you feel any accountability to tell us what you mean?

 

[ZiprHead]

And yet you consistently argue that abortion is "murder".



Here's the photo I provided of an 8 week embryo which you insist would be 'murdered' if aborted.

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_71669614a6f7ae86b3.jpg[/qimg]

After which you posted this:








I don't see how what you wrote could be interpreted any other way than as I did.



How so? How is having an unwanted pregnancy having "zero accountability"? The majority of women who get pregnant were actually using birth control at the time or were raped/date raped. I cited that fact previously. How is that having "zero accountability"?



From everything else you've written, you see abortion as murder no matter what state of development. You had a conniption fit when I posted a pic of an 8 week old embryo and asked me if I was sayin it was "OK to murder that forming child? Ew." I'm getting whiplash from watching you say it's murder out of one side of your mouth and then declaring that you're against the TX abortion law out of the other side. So which is it?

Murder is a legal term that means "the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another."

Abortion is legal, therefore it isn't murder. Warp needs to stop using that word in the way he is.

 

[Warp12]

Murder is a legal term that means "the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another."

Abortion is legal, therefore it isn't murder. Warp needs to stop using that word in the way he is.

So, we are in agreement that anything that is "law" is acceptable?

Then why does this thread exist?

 

[Stacyhs]

Are you saying it is ok to murder that forming child? Gross.

I am not religious. Mind blown, right? There went that argument.

Not blown at all an the argument still stands because the vast majority of people/groups behind anti-choice laws ARE religious...or at least pretend to be.

 

[Stacyhs]

Murder is a legal term that means "the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another."

Abortion is legal, therefore it isn't murder. Warp needs to stop using that word in the way he is.

I agree. Not only is he legally wrong, Warp is insisting it's not "emotive language" and yet we get this:

Are you saying it is ok to murder that forming child? Gross.

Someone have mercy and get me a neck collar for the whiplash.

 

[acbytesla]

So, we are in agreement that anything that is "law" is acceptable?

Then why does this thread exist?

I'm trying. But I really don't understand your point.

And why again are you avoiding answering the question of accountability which earlier was very important to you you.

Are you going to continue to dodge this?

 

[Warp12]

And why again are you avoiding answering the question of accountability which earlier was very important to you you.

I am not going to try to explain a concept that we all understand, yet some refuse to accept. A complete waste of time.

 

[Stacyhs]

So, we are in agreement that anything that is "law" is acceptable?

Then why does this thread exist?

I think I see the problem: you draw erroneous conclusions from things that were never said or implied.

 

[Warp12]

Murder is a legal term that means "the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another."

Abortion is legal, therefore it isn't murder. Warp needs to stop using that word in the way he is.

So, we are in agreement that anything that is "law" is acceptable?
Then why does this thread exist?

I think I see the problem: you draw erroneous conclusions from things that were never said or implied.

Try harder.

 

[Stacyhs]

I am not going to try to explain a concept that we all understand, yet some refuse to accept. A complete waste of time.

The reason you refuse to clarify what you mean by "personal accountability" is because we already understand it but refuse to accept it. I see........

 

[Stacyhs]

Try harder.

No need. I'd explain it to you but you already understand it but refuse to accept it.

 

[smartcooky]

Here's the photo I provided of an 8 week embryo which you insist would be 'murdered' if aborted.

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_71669614a6f7ae86b3.jpg[/qimg]

And just for some context, for Warp12's benefit, that embryo (the small bit on the right) is about a ½ to ¾ inch long, 1½ to 2 cm.

That small bit cannot survive without the big bit on the left and the connecting piece (yes, I know the correct terms for these).

 

[Warp12]

And just for some context, for Warp12's benefit, that embryo (the small bit on the right) is about a ½ to ¾ inch long, 1½ to 2 cm.

That small bit cannot survive without the big bit on the left and the connecting piece (yes, I know the correct terms for these).

We definitely oughta kill 'em based on size.

 

[smartcooky]

We definitely oughta kill 'em based on size.

Once again, you are dodging the point with smartarsed, but ultimately facile responses.

You are nowhere near as clever as you think you are.

 

[Warp12]

And just for some context, for Warp12's benefit, that embryo (the small bit on the right) is about a ½ to ¾ inch long, 1½ to 2 cm.

That small bit cannot survive without the big bit on the left and the connecting piece (yes, I know the correct terms for these).

We definitely oughta kill 'em based on size.

Once again, you are dodging the point with smartarsed, but ultimately facile responses.

You are nowhere near as clever as you think you are.

Ok.

 

[Stacyhs]

We definitely oughta kill 'em based on size.

I thought you were against the TX abortion ban? And yet, here you are protesting the "murder" of an embryo without sentient thought or even a brain.

 

[Stacyhs]

Ok.

Another excellent rebuttal based on facts and evidence. Amazing. Just amazing.

 

[Warp12]

I thought you were against the TX abortion ban? And yet, here you are protesting the "murder" of an embryo without sentient thought or even a brain.

Now, all of that being said, I don't support this TX law. Because, I understand the world isn't perfect. And quite simply, 6 weeks is too early for many women to even know they are pregnant.

What part has you confused? Just because I don't want to encourage abortion, doesn't mean I am completely unreasonable about reality. It also doesn't mean that I am going to accept a blanket license to endorse such a thing.