The supernatural

[Scorpion]

No, dear association. Unbelievers are not punished just for their different beliefs. They took action. They killed many Muslims. And they started a heinous massacre. Unimaginable tortures - killings - committed great discrimination in human rights and many unjust and ugly acts against Muslims.

Where does it say that in the Quran ? as far as I read it all you have to do to be cursed to eternal hellfire by Allah is to disbelieve in Muhammad.
See my post 893

 

[JoeMorgue]

Please provide the post numbers for these "5 logical and philosophical arguments to prove God".

They'll just be Aquinas's "Five Proofs" again.

Again apologetics for God have not moved on in 800 years.

And hell the five proofs are just one proof reworded five times. And the one proof is just special pleading.

 

[Little 10 Toes]

They'll just be Aquinas's "Five Proofs" again.

Again apologetics for God have not moved on in 800 years.

And hell the five proofs are just one proof reworded five times. And the one proof is just special pleading.

JoeMorgue: I was asking heydarian saeed for his post numbers. He rambles on and I wanted to know where he presented them.

Edit: his claim needs proof.

 

[heydarian saeed]

Perhaps it would be a good idea to actually learn something about a subject before making assertions and suggestions about it?


Yes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolly_(sheep)


I have nothing further to add on that subject.

Hello. I was interested. But because you do not want to, I do not insist. Thank you

 

[heydarian saeed]

Human beings are animals. Specifically, we are mammals. We evolved like all other animals did. This is a proven fact. Wishing it were otherwise, and making up silly stories about something that happens naturally during the foetal development of every mammal being somehow magical for our kind of mammal only, will not change that fact.

My conscience does not accept this theory. Maybe we have read this theory in another way and it is in our minds. Can you tell me what Darwin's theory really is? I am very interested in reading and learning from another language like yours. Although it is difficult for me to accept this theory. Thank you

 

[MarkCorrigan]

So you're refusing to learn more? Sounds legit.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

My conscience does not accept this theory. Maybe we have read this theory in another way and it is in our minds. Can you tell me what Darwin's theory really is? I am very interested in reading and learning from another language like yours. Although it is difficult for me to accept this theory. Thank you

Evolution is a theory in the scientific sense in that it is an explanatory concept. It is not a theory in the colloquial sense. Evolution is a fact Heydarian. Humans evolved from proto humans which evolved from a precursor ancestor to both humans and other great apes.

Reality doesn't care if you accept it or not. Evolution is a fact.

 

[heydarian saeed]

Really, stop trying to talk to anyone about biology or evolution, as you clearly know nothing about either, as repeated statements of the kind quoted demonstrate.

Just because you don't like the idea that you are an animal which evolved in the same way as other animals doesn't change anything.

Hello. Good time. As I asked for Pixel, I ask for you. I want to hear Darwin's theory from you. It is extremely difficult for me to accept this theory. Thank you for your kindness

 

[heydarian saeed]

Again, all you are doing is assuming that you are correct. You've put no arguments forth and have provided no evidence. Every single one of your "logical" arguments has just been the assumption that you are correct when you clearly do not have a good grasp of science at all.

Hello. Good time. These are the 5 ways I said. There are ways of logic and philosophy to prove the existence of God. And there is no doubt about it. I do not think you are objectionable. I ask you to tell me the scientific ways. I'm very willing.

 

[heydarian saeed]

Guide me; How can I put a thumbnail in the name of my post? Thanks

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Hello. Good time. These are the 5 ways I said. There are ways of logic and philosophy to prove the existence of God. And there is no doubt about it. I do not think you are objectionable. I ask you to tell me the scientific ways. I'm very willing.

Your 5 ways are just repackaged Aquinas. Aquinas was wrong. We've detailed multiple times why your 5 ways are to put it mildly insufficient. You've just ignored us. Every. Time.

Deal with the responses we have given Heydarian. Stop just saying you've proved it. You clearly haven't.

 

[Pixel42]

Hello. I was interested. But because you do not want to, I do not insist. Thank you

I not only want to, I already did. Several times. I can't explain it any more simply. If you were really interested you would make an effort to understand what I already posted. I can only conclude that you are refusing to even try to understand because it might threaten your beliefs if you did.

 

[heydarian saeed]

She has. Multiple times. As have I. You simply ignore them and pretend they don't exist or tell us we are wrong and confused without any reasoning beyond your say so.

I'll try again. Proposing that the universe was created by a god instead of always existing in some form just multiplies things unnecessarily.

We propose that the universe is eternal (in some form).

You propose that god created it but that god is eternal. All you have done is moved the thing that is eternal back a step without any justification. Do you understand yet?

Of course you say it is magnification. But we do not think so. Magnification is also rejected by us. And I agree with you on this issue. We say that the universe has a starting point, which is singularity. It is true? Well we say. Who created the singularity? Please give me a scientific answer and convince me. Thanks

 

[Pixel42]

My conscience does not accept this theory. Maybe we have read this theory in another way and it is in our minds. Can you tell me what Darwin's theory really is? I am very interested in reading and learning from another language like yours. Although it is difficult for me to accept this theory. Thank you

Evidence, not conscience, is what enables us to discover how the world works. Facts do not care whether or not you approve of them.

There are many good popular books about evolution, I can recommend one if you like. Or you can just read this wiki article, it looks like a good introduction:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outline_of_evolution

Perhaps the best way to start your education on this subject is to consider the following four facts:

1. Offspring resemble their parents

2. Offspring vary

3. Parents produce more offspring than are required to maintain a constant population

4. The earth's resources are finite

That's all you need to know to deduce the existence of evolution by natural selection for yourself. Once you grasp the inevitability of it, understanding its consequences is easy.

 

[heydarian saeed]

I not only want to, I already did. Several times. I can't explain it any more simply. If you were really interested you would make an effort to understand what I already posted. I can only conclude that you are refusing to even try to understand because it might threaten your beliefs if you did.

No, it is not. I have no prejudice. If it is true and I accept science. I said that in our book you probably know. And has not refused. Therefore, my beliefs are not threatened. Do not worry.

 

[Pixel42]

Of course you say it is magnification. But we do not think so. Magnification is also rejected by us. And I agree with you on this issue. We say that the universe has a starting point, which is singularity. It is true? Well we say. Who created the singularity? Please give me a scientific answer and convince me. Thanks

You failed to understand the point that is being made yet again.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Of course you say it is magnification. But we do not think so. Magnification is also rejected by us. And I agree with you on this issue. We say that the universe has a starting point, which is singularity. It is true? Well we say. Who created the singularity? Please give me a scientific answer and convince me. Thanks

We don't know if anything created it. There is no reason to believe it was created by anything, it more than likely "always" existed. I put always in quotes because time began with the big bang. There was no time before the singularity expanded.

There was likely no creator. If you want to say there was one you have to provide EVIDENCE for one. You are just asserting that you are right. It's extremely frustrating talking to you because you don't seem to understand that your say so isn't evidence.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

No, it is not. I have no prejudice. If it is true and I accept science.

You reject Evolution, one of the most well understood and well supported scientific theories that exists. You absolutely are prejudiced.

Let me ask you this. If you came across a scientific fact that showed that the Quran was in error, would you accept the truth and reject the Quran?

I said that in our book you probably know. And has not refused. Therefore, my beliefs are not threatened. Do not worry.

Meaningless gibberish.

 

[IanS]

I brought 5 logical and philosophical arguments to prove God to my dear association. Can you read these 5 arguments for having a God of the universe? In any case, how did the universe, which is matter, come into being? He himself can not create or create himself for the 5 reasons I have said. So how was it created? This answer is extremely important to me. Would you please comment on this? Thank you

If you really wanted to know how our universe was created formed, then you only need to read the published scientific research papers that have been published over the past 30 years or so. There are thousands of them. Each of those papers needs to be presenting new research, supported by all known evidence, and supported by accurate advanced maths ... and that has to agreed by several independent internationally recognised experts in the subject, otherwise it will not be accepted as meeting the standard required for publication.

But you do not really want to know or understand what all of that research has shown, and what the most expert scientists have explained about the most likely explanation for how & why the universe formed in the way that we can detect and measure today. Instead it's clear from all your posts here that you will only ever believe other religious fanatics who say things that you think confirm your belief that the Koran must always be right. Things such as claiming that Noah lived to be 950 years old, that the remains of his Ark/ship have been discovered, that Darwin was wrong to say humans evolved from earlier apes etc. That is not an honest way ever to learn or study anything. That's just 100% delusionally dishonest ... and unfortunately it's been shown time & time again how utterly hopeless and what a complete waste of time it is for educated people bothering to try explaining to you what most of those research papers are now agreeing upon as the most likely explanation for the entirety of our universe and how and why that happened.

I could explain that for you. In fact I have explained it here several times before on this website, in some detail. But I am not going to waste my time doing that with a theist like you who cannot be honest even to themselves when they talk about what they believe and why they believe it.

 

[Lothian]

Hi. In the following paragraphs, let me document the contents of the Qur'an for you to see that it speaks of sciences and discoveries in the seventh century that were not discovered for us until a century ago. The Qur'an is not the story of the past or just the story of Muhammad. The book is not old and abandoned. It has words that are up-to-date and new. I will say something from the Qur'an that has been discovered in the last ten years! As a Muslim, I also thought that it was just the story of Muhammad. But this is not the case. wait...

If the Koran spoke of science and discoveries why did it take 1000 years to find that science or discovery?

There are 2 answers to this.

1. The science and discoveries were not mentioned in the Koran rather people today twist the words if the Koran to try to make it fit.
2. The things were mentioned but were included as sci-fi in the same way as modern fiction writers talk of future tech and teleportation devices. That is they provide no useful info I but are simply providing a wish list.

If the Koran was supernatural it would describe something that was not known before and the science would then be 1400 year old science not 100 year old.