Texas bans abortion.

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Tero said:
It's law now. No abortion past 6 weeks. Roe v Wade has less meaning, as court did not take up the case.

6 conservatives.

To be fair, it's much easier to be a conservative judge. The constitution was written for white men who hated kings and favored a small government. At that time, states had most of the power.

The constitution is rather vague on human rights. Just guns (maybe) and free speech.
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This always bothered me about liberal complaints about conservative justices. I think it is obvious Kavanaugh is more on the same page as the founding fathers than Sotomayor.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Oh so now you're saying that practical, real world considerations should over-ride idealistic truth to self when it comes to politics.

How convenient for you.
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Not sure what you mean, I've been pretty consistent that RBG's decision not to retire was and remains a political disaster.

More broadly, I've been very consistent that the liberal's inability to play the game while Republicans pull every trick in the book and run circles around them is a huge problem. In fact, the Democrat's refusal to see politics as primarily a struggle about power, not aesthetics or norms or whatever other BS they claim is the reason why they can't do anything, is one of my chief complaints about them as a party.

It seems they haven't even learned anything. Breyer seems dead-set on dropping dead on the court. Generations of people's civil rights are riding on the whims of fate because liberal justices refuse to acknowledge that the SCOTUS is about political power, not a debate society. Meanwhile the Federalist society is lining up 30 year old ghouls who are going to live forever to pack the courts.
 
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the Ban is a clear case of a dog having caught the car - the majority of Americans has long gone to the pro-choice side, but it took Republicans until now to get the majorities to overturn Roe.
the winners of the Culture War have created societal facts that the holders of the political power fight at their own peril.

in short: should this ban be upheld, don't be surprised if Texas turns Blue.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
the Ban is a clear case of a dog having caught the car - the majority of Americans has long gone to the pro-choice side, but it took Republicans until now to get the majorities to overturn Roe.
the winners of the Culture War have created societal facts that the holders of the political power fight at their own peril.

in short: should this ban be upheld, don't be surprised if Texas turns Blue.
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Fortunately for the GOP in Texas, they have also passed bills to to ensure turning blue is something that doesn't happen, elections be damned.
 
While I am no fan of abortion the new law which bans abortions even if the pregnancy came about as the result of rape seems a bit harsh to me. My problem with most abortions is this. Most pregnancies are the result of consentual sex and if you know how babies are made and you do that and get pregnant as a result then I feel the woman should be obligated to carry the baby full term and if she doesn't want it then put it up for adoption.
 
Cainkane1 said:
I read somewhere that there are negative consequences to having an abortion anyway. Something to do with a greater risk of breast cancer.
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Thank god there are no risks in being pregnant my friend who had a heart attack, stroke and heart transplant as a result of being pregnant not withstanding. Those are not serious health concerns after all. Better dead from pregnancy complications than have a slightly higher risk of breast cancer.
 
Cainkane1 said:
I read somewhere that there are negative consequences to having an abortion anyway. Something to do with a greater risk of breast cancer.
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I read somewhere that guys who judge women, or make attempts to pass laws, or force their ideas onto women has negative consequences. Mostly just in the eyes of society.
 
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Cainkane1 said:
I read somewhere that there are negative consequences to having an abortion anyway. Something to do with a greater risk of breast cancer.
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Evidence of abortion leading to breast cancer is sketchy at best. A few studies say there is a slightly increased risk, most studies say there is nothing there. It usually comes down to methodology of the study. If a study lets women say that they have not had an abortion when they actually have, social pressures encourage healthy women to deny that they have had an abortion, but they are more likely to admit it if they are facing a medical diagnosis like cancer. The result is skewed results towards an abortion/breast cancer link that are leaped upon by the anti-abortion crowd.
 
Think what we'd save on shipping if we did our democracy building local!

What if I told you there was a largely arid, oil rich state where the government tramples on the rights of women and maintains control through anti-democratic means? Should the United States' intervene? And if so, where in Texas should they begin the airstrikes?
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https://twitter.com/stevanzetti/status/1433091195710869505
 
Cainkane1 said:
While I am no fan of abortion the new law which bans abortions even if the pregnancy came about as the result of rape seems a bit harsh to me. My problem with most abortions is this. Most pregnancies are the result of consentual sex and if you know how babies are made and you do that and get pregnant as a result then I feel the woman should be obligated to carry the baby full term and if she doesn't want it then put it up for adoption.
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It's not a "baby" at 6 weeks, not unless someone's personal spiritual beliefs consider it to be thus. The point of freedom of religion is supposed to be that no one group's spiritual beliefs supersede another with regard to legal policy. Why does no one understand this?

If you hate sluts and want them punished, that's irrelevant. If you love babies and feel sad when you think about them dying, that's also irrelevant. All of these bits are completely irrelevant, and yet, people have been whipping themselves up into apoplexy arguing about them for decades. It's so annoying at this point, I almost want to laugh.
 
Cainkane1 said:
While I am no fan of abortion the new law which bans abortions even if the pregnancy came about as the result of rape seems a bit harsh to me. My problem with most abortions is this. Most pregnancies are the result of consentual sex and if you know how babies are made and you do that and get pregnant as a result then I feel the woman should be obligated to carry the baby full term and if she doesn't want it then put it up for adoption.
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Yes! That's awesome! Babies should be punishment! **** those **** who would have consensual sex without intending procreation!
 
Cainkane1 said:
I read somewhere that there are negative consequences to having an abortion anyway. Something to do with a greater risk of breast cancer.
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It's true. This (false) propaganda is well promoted by pro-forced birth activists.

By the way, did you know that there are negative consequences for birthing?
 
Butter! said:
It's not a "baby" at 6 weeks, not unless someone's personal spiritual beliefs consider it to be thus. The point of freedom of religion is supposed to be that no one group's spiritual beliefs supersede another with regard to legal policy. Why does no one understand this?

If you hate sluts and want them punished, that's irrelevant. If you love babies and feel sad when you think about them dying, that's also irrelevant. All of these bits are completely irrelevant, and yet, people have been whipping themselves up into apoplexy arguing about them for decades. It's so annoying at this point, I almost want to laugh.
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Your mistake is in assuming they give half a damn whether or not their motivations are relevant. You pointed out their hypocrisy, they pointed out another gerrymandering wrinkle.
 
The four big things that I noticed about this new Texas law is:

One: there is a web site setup that one can use to anonymously report people engaging in abortion activities.

Two: anyone in Texas can sue someone else in Texas when that someone tries in any way to help a person obtain an abortion. This includes providing the someone in question with any sort of pro-abortion printed material or even discussing pro-abortion topics.

Three: the person doing the suing does not have to have any sort of connection with the person being sued.

Four: there are no exceptions to this law for cases of rape or incest.

This is just all so weird, I do not know where to start.
 
Crossbow said:
Two: anyone in Texas can sue someone else in Texas when that someone tries in any way to help a person obtain an abortion. This includes providing the someone in question with any sort of pro-abortion printed material or even discussing pro-abortion topics.
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I have seen it presented as such, but do citizens suing even have to be in Texas?
 
Crossbow said:
The four big things that I noticed about this new Texas law is:

One: there is a web site setup that one can use to anonymously report people engaging in abortion activities.

Two: anyone in Texas can sue someone else in Texas when that someone tries in any way to help a person obtain an abortion. This includes providing the someone in question with any sort of pro-abortion printed material or even discussing pro-abortion topics.

Three: the person doing the suing does not have to have any sort of connection with the person being sued.

Four: there are no exceptions to this law for cases of rape or incest.

This is just all so weird, I do not know where to start.
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It’s written the way it is in order to make challenging it in court more confusing. If you think a law is unconstitutional, you are supposed to sue the government entity responsible for enforcing the law, but here there is no enforcement agency, just private lawsuits. So you can’t really challenge the law until you are sued by some random guy off the street.

The goal of the law is not technically to ban abortion, but rather to open up anyone who obtains, performs, assists, encourages, or otherwise supports abortion, to an unending wave of nutty lawsuits from amateur crotch police. And with a minimum $10,000 fine for any defendant who loses...
 
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