The supernatural

[wea]

I just read the Qur'an and adapt the new science to it and enjoy

There's no accounting for taste.
Solo tic-tac-toe (3 x 3) would do too.

 

[heydarian saeed]

Again Heydarian, stop ignoring me.

Also no, the Soul isn't real. There is no such thing as a soul and zero evidence for one. You are simply assuming that there is one and declaring yourself to be right. You can't do that you know, it's total nonsense.

Hi. I always see you with your gun !!!! I was glad you put the gun aside. For information; I won the first place in shooting Sibel in 2011. ... And dear friend, there is a soul, but with experimental science and matter you will never be able to see it. Because the soul is not made of matter. And it is logical that it cannot be seen with matter. Please visit my posts 367 and 418 and see what are the specifications of the article? And the soul does not have any of the characteristics of matter, so it is not of matter and cannot be seen by the human senses, which is of matter. I hope you understand this simple matter.
And of course the effects of the soul can be seen. Both in the laboratory and in nature. You seek to see the works and signs and evidence based on the existence of the soul, not to see the soul itself.
Dear all friends, please read this article ...:
You mistakenly think that it is not a soul because it cannot be seen and there is no evidence in the laboratory or in nature to feel the soul. No, this is not the case. There is a soul, but because it is not made of matter, it cannot be understood and seen with matter and material senses. Therefore, it must be seen through the evidence of logic and philosophy. I have said it many times. I do not know why you do not take and your two pounds do not fall? !!

 

[Scorpion]

It is said exactly in verse 14 of Sura 23. Read well. Not with the translation of Yousef Ali !!!! ... but I advised you to translate the Arabic text of the verse in Google. Of course, the best way is to get help from someone who is fluent in Arabic in translating the Qur'an. The choice is yours.
At the end of verse 14.23 it says that; After the fetus is complete and I have described the steps, I will give it another creation. Another creation in the fetus is the entry of the soul into the fetus. More precisely, of course, the body material set of the fetus has a soul when it reaches the stage of development. And accepts the soul. Be careful ... I will make a logical argument from here that man can create a living being and cause the soul to enter the fetus. If you wait, I will tell you my ultimate goal in the next few posts. And I stand by my claim. And I'm willing to do what I say in the lab. Is this what you and all your friends want?

Quran surah 23.14 Pickthall translation
23.14 Then fashioned we the drop a clot. Then fashioned we the clot a little lump, then fashioned we the little lump bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it another creation.
The Yusuf Ali translation says pretty well the same thing,

I see nothing about the soul entering the body at four months. Added to that
I doubt the bones are formed first then wrapped in flesh, like it says in the Quran.

 

[heydarian saeed]

And Aristotle dissected bird eggs at various states of development and documented the complete process. Aristotle also inferred that sperm was a foam of bubbles too small to be seen individually by the human eye and that these bubbles carried information from the father about form.

The writings of Aristotle and Galen were preserved largely in Arabic.

No. I'm sorry. Do not think childish. Read the answers carefully. Be reasonable.

 

[heydarian saeed]

That would be concerning even if your beliefs were correct, which they are not.


No, you said that. Or at least cut and pasted someone else saying it.


It's right here:



Your 'scientific' screeds are riddled with such mistakes. More importantly, they do not remotely support the claims you are making for them.

There is no such thing. According to friends ... My 7-year-old niece also knows that a woman does not have sperm.
A woman has an egg, not a sperm. And the result of the male sperm mixing with the female egg, constitutes the sperm of the fetus. Which is the zygote. This is in my posts. Nothing else. I think you mentioned the topic of the phrase in my posts by other friends ...

 

[jond]

Hello dear friend, this is the first time I see you and I am happy. Of course, the Qur'an is a miracle, but not as you think, and you do not study the meaning of the verses correctly. I recommend you stay up to date.
Hi dear friend. This is the first time I see you and I am happy. Of course, the Qur'an is a miracle, but not as you think, and you do not study the meaning of the verses correctly. I recommend you stay up to date. There are no sperm in a woman. It has an egg and a uterus. Sperm is made in a man's testicles and enters a woman's uterus through sexual (or laboratory) intercourse. Fertilization is then performed between the two and sperm are formed. And then the embryonic stages go through. And after the completion of the fetal body in the uterus, it is able to receive the soul and the soul enters the fetal body and comes to life and its perceptions begin. This is what the Qur'an says. Nothing else.
Thanks for your post.

I was responding to Pixel 42, not you. And I was responding with a forum insider joke. Which is to say: some years ago we had another poster who, like you, tried to persuade us that the Qur'an could prove the existence of such nonsense as you describe. Said poster closed his posts with "is miracle!". And so, now you know the joke. Suffice it to say, said poster had no more success with his non-scientific drivel than you are having, but at least you make some of us laugh.

 

[Scorpion]

Hello dear friend, this is the first time I see you and I am happy. Of course, the Qur'an is a miracle, but not as you think, and you do not study the meaning of the verses correctly. I recommend you stay up to date.
Hi dear friend. This is the first time I see you and I am happy. Of course, the Qur'an is a miracle, but not as you think, and you do not study the meaning of the verses correctly. I recommend you stay up to date. There are no sperm in a woman. It has an egg and a uterus. Sperm is made in a man's testicles and enters a woman's uterus through sexual (or laboratory) intercourse. Fertilization is then performed between the two and sperm are formed. And then the embryonic stages go through. And after the completion of the fetal body in the uterus, it is able to receive the soul and the soul enters the fetal body and comes to life and its perceptions begin. This is what the Qur'an says. Nothing else.
Thanks for your post.

You say sperm is formed in the testicles, but the Quran says it is issued from between the backbone and the ribs Surah 86.7

 

[Pixel42]

Unfortunately, you have removed the main words of my post and put your favorite words instead. I'm sorry. This is a cowardly practice. I wish you good health.

Jack by the hedge has accurately summarised your argument. Your 'magical axiom' is that the soul exists, your claim that a developing embryo starts to move when the soul enters it (a supernatural claim) is based on that axiom. But all the science tells us is that an embryo begins to move at a certain stage of its development. No soul is required for this to happen.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Hi. I always see you with your gun !!!! I was glad you put the gun aside. For information; I won the first place in shooting Sibel in 2011. ... And dear friend, there is a soul, but with experimental science and matter you will never be able to see it. Because the soul is not made of matter. And it is logical that it cannot be seen with matter. Please visit my posts 367 and 418 and see what are the specifications of the article? And the soul does not have any of the characteristics of matter, so it is not of matter and cannot be seen by the human senses, which is of matter. I hope you understand this simple matter.
And of course the effects of the soul can be seen. Both in the laboratory and in nature. You seek to see the works and signs and evidence based on the existence of the soul, not to see the soul itself.
Dear all friends, please read this article ...:
You mistakenly think that it is not a soul because it cannot be seen and there is no evidence in the laboratory or in nature to feel the soul. No, this is not the case. There is a soul, but because it is not made of matter, it cannot be understood and seen with matter and material senses. Therefore, it must be seen through the evidence of logic and philosophy. I have said it many times. I do not know why you do not take and your two pounds do not fall? !!

You're just restating your assertion and claiming it is true. That's not persuasive.

Provide evidence for a soul. Any evidence at all.

I think there is no soul because there is no evidence for one.

Also I note that you are again ignoring my previous posts. Deal with the responses you have received please, don't just constantly restate your beliefs as if that were evidence of them being true.

 

[Pixel42]

There is no such thing. According to friends ... My 7-year-old niece also knows that a woman does not have sperm.
A woman has an egg, not a sperm. And the result of the male sperm mixing with the female egg, constitutes the sperm of the fetus. Which is the zygote. This is in my posts. Nothing else. I think you mentioned the topic of the phrase in my posts by other friends ...

No, it was definitely a post of yours which mentioned female sperm. I quoted the post in which you did so. Just click on the little arrow next to your name and you will be taken to the post in which you made that mistake. (Post 638, if you can't work that out).

Is it really so hard to admit that you made a mistake? We all do occasionally.

 

[gabeygoat]

The female sperm weighs 14 light years

 

[heydarian saeed]

Quran surah 23.14 Pickthall translation
23.14 Then fashioned we the drop a clot. Then fashioned we the clot a little lump, then fashioned we the little lump bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it another creation.
The Yusuf Ali translation says pretty well the same thing,

I see nothing about the soul entering the body at four months. Added to that
I doubt the bones are formed first then wrapped in flesh, like it says in the Quran.

See dear friend; The blood clot in the uterus is in the shape of a leech. This is what modern embryology says. The term clot fragmentation means chewed meat. Have you chewed pork? And have you seen what it looks like? Chewed meat is the next stage after a blood clot (leech shape). It then tells the rest of the steps. And after the flesh (muscle) grows on the bone, he says: We will give him a new creation. The new creation to the complete set of the fetal body is the soul. Read verse 14.23 carefully again with the meaning of Google. Thanks

 

[Scorpion]

See dear friend; The blood clot in the uterus is in the shape of a leech. This is what modern embryology says. The term clot fragmentation means chewed meat. Have you chewed pork? And have you seen what it looks like? Chewed meat is the next stage after a blood clot (leech shape). It then tells the rest of the steps. And after the flesh (muscle) grows on the bone, he says: We will give him a new creation. The new creation to the complete set of the fetal body is the soul. Read verse 14.23 carefully again with the meaning of Google. Thanks

Muhammad had several wives, and he probably saw at least one miscarriage, so there is nothing surprising about his description of a leech like clot.

 

[heydarian saeed]

The sperm is the first stage in the development of the fetus. And the first point of human origin. Which consists of the combination of male sperm with the first female egg in the mother's womb, so-called fertilization process. These sex cells are made up of nutrients in nature and matter in the body of man and woman. Developmental psychologists describe periods and stages of human development that range from the moment of sperm coagulation to old age. And some other psychologists have expressed other divisions according to a particular aspect of development. Among the divisions they have outlined for growth, the most sensitive and fundamental is the prenatal period.
Sorry, the following phrase in post 638 - the word egg instead of sperm - is corrected. Thank you very much for the guidance of our dear friend and association pixel42.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Parallel worlds are together in this real world. Did you pay attention? We have an infinite other world in this world. But we do not understand any of them. Because our senses are not made to understand those parallel worlds. Did you pay attention? The human senses are made of matter. Do you accept this obvious principle? And he can only understand the material world. Did you pay attention? Therefore, human senses will never be able to understand, comprehend or see a world other than matter. Only he will be able to understand, see and comprehend the material world forever. This is a simple and obvious principle.

But to understand parallel worlds that we do not know what sex they are and how they are, but we just want to know that they exist and are not imaginary and are not mental and are not lies. The answer to these questions is possible only through logic and philosophy. And has answered all these questions. Please read a little philosophy and logic and follow the ways of proving the unknown in this way. Good luck.

I think you misunderstood my point. I wished you to imagine two worlds - one in which supernatural things are real and one in which they are not real; they are only imaginary yet some people believe them to be real.

If you could prove whether supernatural things are real then you could prove to us whether we live in the first kind of world or the second kind. But your attempts to persuade us so far seem to require us to believe in things like a soul, which is a supernatural concept, so it cannot be assumed to exist as part of a supposed proof of whether the supernatural exists or not.

I apologise if my use of the word "magic" was distasteful or offensive. It may sound worse in translation. I shall use "supernatural" instead if that is better.

 

[Scorpion]

No. I'm not a witch. And I do not like this action at all. I am not an immortal - not a spirit summoner - not a fortune teller - not a mythologist - not a demon possessor - not a connection with spirits - not a connection with the dead - not a fortune teller - not an ascetic or a person. I just read the Qur'an and adapt the new science to it and enjoy the scientific understanding. only this.

Well I do have a connection with the spirit world and have been to many trance lectures, and had many messages from my departed relatives.

The spirit world says there is no Satan, and no hellfire, and there will be no judgement day.

But you believe in all that bunk because it says so in the Quran.

 

[Scorpion]

the Qur'an is a miracle. And I enjoy its contents. And I am very happy.

Do you enjoy the horrible verses about eternal hellfire which says that unbelievers in Muhammad will be dragged through boiling liquid in chains, and into hellfire where they will have their skins burnt off and renewed and burnt off again for all eternity. ? See Surah's 4.56 and 22.19 and 40.72.

And if I find myself burning in eternal hellfire and you can look down on me from heaven, and I ask you for a glass of water, will you say 'it is forbidden for unbelievers' ? See surah 7.50

You think the Quran is a miracle. I think it is completely sick.

 

[abaddon]

Do you enjoy the horrible verses about eternal hellfire which says that unbelievers in Muhammad will be dragged through boiling liquid in chains, and into hellfire where they will have their skins burnt off and renewed and burnt off again for all eternity. ? See Surah's 4.56 and 22.19 and 40.72.

And if I find myself burning in eternal hellfire and you can look down on me from heaven, and I ask you for a glass of water, will you say 'it is forbidden for unbelievers' ? See surah 7.50

You think the Quran is a miracle. I think it is completely sick.

Scorp, we may have been diametrically opposed in other threads, but you have done a fine job in this one. I, for one, appreciate it.

But the protagonist is not actually reading replies.

For example, tonight I will leave out my bin for collection (Wed at 6am). Tomorrow it will be magically empty when I leave for work.

Magic. Therefore leprechauns must be real and empty my bin for reasons unknown.

I know that is absurd. But OP simply will not notice that post. At all.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

See dear friend; The blood clot in the uterus is in the shape of a leech. This is what modern embryology says. The term clot fragmentation means chewed meat. Have you chewed pork? And have you seen what it looks like? Chewed meat is the next stage after a blood clot (leech shape). It then tells the rest of the steps. And after the flesh (muscle) grows on the bone, he says: We will give him a new creation. The new creation to the complete set of the fetal body is the soul. Read verse 14.23 carefully again with the meaning of Google. Thanks

Just repeating the same thing over and over and over again will not make it true.
Just look it up. Not in the Quran. Something from actual embryology.
Let me repeat, because you still don't seem to understand:

It. Is. Not. True.

By the way, does anyone else find the idea that a woman grows a tiny skeleton inside her, that only later is covered in tissue, more than a little creepy?

 

[sackett]

What is shooting Sibel?