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Moderated Money/inequalities - Part 3 / Poll - willing to work for free?

Are you willing to work for free if the goods and services are free?

  • Yes

    Votes: 23 31.5%

  • No

    Votes: 35 47.9%

  • I don't know

    Votes: 15 20.5%
  • Total voters
    73
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Gaetan said:
Off course, groceries will be food banks where people will take what they need
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You imagine that will work? Tell people "it's a food bank" and they'll suddenly be too embarrassed to take any more than the minimum they need? Or will you have to make sure they only stock dull, worthy and unappealing necessities so nobody will want more. How will you decide who gets the best grades of really nice flavourful fruit and vegetables and who gets the mass of bland, watery and disappointingly flavourless varieties?
 
Your world will try to exist in a permanent state of embarrassment but will collapse when people decide not to be meek little robots and help themselves to the good stuff.
 
You're just handwaving away human nature Gaetan.

Just admit that your idea is not functional.
 
Gaetan said:
This is evidence that a human or an animal don't use more they need to survive. Money is what makes things not natural.
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What evidence? You saying it doesn't make it true.

So if a caveman kills an animal because he needs to eat, if he can't eat it all, the rest will rot and go to waste.
 
No he didn't. That is absolutely not true.

Jesus criticises the Pharisees for not killing disobedient children and outright states that he has no problem with the Mosaic law telling people to kill disobedient children.

Quote the bible passage where Jesus says satan commands people to kill children. Chapter and verse. Come on, pony up.
 
Joecool said:
What evidence? You saying it doesn't make it true.

So if a caveman kills an animal because he needs to eat, if he can't eat it all, the rest will rot and go to waste.
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They had means to preserve the food and people in a world of no money are not so stupid to waste ressources nor animals. Wolves are not so stupid to kill all the deers but in a world of money you think you can pay, you can waste and make all the pollution you want, natives didn't use money and never did that and their tradition says to not do that.
 
MarkCorrigan said:
No he didn't. That is absolutely not true.

Jesus criticises the Pharisees for not killing disobedient children and outright states that he has no problem with the Mosaic law telling people to kill disobedient children.

Quote the bible passage where Jesus says satan commands people to kill children. Chapter and verse. Come on, pony up.
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You probably talk about these verse:

That Which Defiles
15 Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, 2 “Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don’t wash their hands before they eat!”

3 Jesus replied, “And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? 4 For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother’[a] and ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’ 5 But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is ‘devoted to God,’ 6 they are not to ‘honor their father or mother’ with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7 You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:

8 “‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
9 They worship me in vain;
their teachings are merely human rules.’[c]”

10 Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen and understand. 11 What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.”

12 Then the disciples came to him and asked, “Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this?”

13 He replied, “Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots. 14 Leave them; they are blind guides.[d] If the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.”

15 Peter said, “Explain the parable to us.”

16 “Are you still so dull?” Jesus asked them. 17 “Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body? 18 But the things that come out of a person’s mouth come from the heart, and these defile them. 19 For out of the heart come evil thoughts—murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander. 20 These are what defile a person; but eating with unwashed hands does not defile them.”


You must see the text:Jesus was angry because they wanted him to respect the devil's tax of washing before eating but Jesus is a free man he did not respect any of these taxes. The Law of God is to love your neighbour as yourself and to take care of your elders is a law coming from that big Law of God given by Satan to Moses. This is not God who give these Laws to Moses this is Satan but these laws are from God. They found a way to not take care of their elders by their traditions. Jesus never said to kill their childreen he said satan says that.
 
Your interpretation is patent nonsense. Nowhere does it say anything about the devil.

You're talking out of your hat, to put it politely.

ETA: Even if you were correct that's still only ONE of three questions I put to you.
 
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MarkCorrigan said:
Your interpretation is patent nonsense. Nowhere does it say anything about the devil.

You're talking out of your hat, to put it politely.

ETA: Even if you were correct that's still only ONE of three questions I put to you.
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Anything i say is not correct to you but any one can see in the text that Jesus didn't say to kill desobedient childreen, he said the bible says that not him but the old testimony says that and Jesus says here when talking to Jews:

NIV John 8,

42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me. 43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. 44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! 46 Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? 47 Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”

Jesus said you belong to your father, the devil, its means that the father of the old testimony is the devil.
 
Nonsense. Jesus was criticising the Pharisees as hypocites, he wasn't saying that the OT law was wrong.

He thought that the Jews of the time had strayed from god, not that the god of the OT was satan.

Even if he did, why should anyone care what Jesus thought? He quite possibly wasn't a real person and he certainly wasn't god. God probably doesn't exist.
 
Gaetan said:
That why in a world of no money there will be no waste
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It will be exactly the opposite. If your car breaks down, do you get it repaired or go get a new one? In a world where resources matter, you get it fixed, depending on the cost. If the cost to fix outweighs the cost of the new one, you fix, if not, replace. Hell, in your world, if the color no longer suits me, I replace. Nobody is going to take a used car rather than a new one if the price is the same.

In a world where there are no costs to resource extraction, everything is waste. Tragedy of the Commons.
 
MarkCorrigan said:
Nonsense. Jesus was criticising the Pharisees as hypocites, he wasn't saying that the OT law was wrong.
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He said that thier father was the devil and they do what they hear from their father:

John 8 38 I am telling you what I have seen in the Father’s presence, and you are doing what you have heard from your father.

Further he says that their father is the devil 8.44, they do what Moses taught them this is not hypocrisy they do what Satan told them to do

You see their father is not God but the devil, Jesus said my Father is God but yours is the devil, it can't be more clear.
 
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