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Cont: Trump’s Coup - Part 2

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Warp12 said:
My state does not practice signature matching.
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31 states do, including all of the “battleground” states.

So your fear is that someone would be happy to commit 3 felonies to gain one vote in a securely blue or red state.
 
Warp12 said:
My state does not practice signature matching.
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kookbreaker said:
31 states do, including all of the “battleground” states.

So your fear is that someone would be happy to commit 3 felonies to gain one vote in a securely blue or red state.
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Is your contention that no one is willing to break the law to sway an election?

You know that the ACLU and others have made an issue out of signature verification being unjust, along with ID requirements?

I guess there is no level of verification that is acceptable. Probably phoning votes in is the best choice.
 
Warp12 said:
Is your contention that no one is willing to break the law to sway an election?

You know that the ACLU and others have made an issue out of signature verification being unjust, along with ID requirements?

I guess there is no level of verification that is acceptable. Probably phoning votes in is the best choice.
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Signatures change over time, I had a friend who lost his right arm in a logging Accident his signature definitely changed one month before the election.
 
Signature verification is unreliable and may be used in, shall we say, a less than even handed manner.

As long as sufficient alternative verification checks are built into the process, signature verification should not be necessary.
 
Warp12 said:
Worked the same way for my neighbor, after I traded him my ballot for a 6-pack. I admire the integrity of the process, as I am sure you do. :thumbsup:
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Is that a lie or are you admitting to committing a crime on a public forum?
 
Warp12 said:
I wasn't worried too much about it, tbh. I got my votes in, and then some. My roommate works at the post office, and he culled some extra ballots. So, free 6-pack. Win-win.

Great process. :thumbsup:
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Is that a lie or are you telling us that not only you, but your roommate committed a crime?
 
Again, if you fake a Mail in ballot you have to commit 3 felonies per every single vote. Start faking more than your dead wife’s ballot (“my man in forty-fort”) and things are going to get real uncomfortable, real fast.
 
Warp12 said:
Is your contention that no one is willing to break the law to sway an election?
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Sure the Republicans in North Carolina certainly did.

A lot of local elections have been known to have issues, but that is getting much harder to get away with.
 
Warp12 said:
Yeah, I think you missed the point. Yes, when I registered, the info was checked. Once they mailed out the ballot, there is nothing after that. My neighbor, or anyone else could fill out that ballot and return it.
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If your neighbour stole your ballot and decided to commit a federal crime by using it how is that a problem with the system and not a problem with you neighbour?
 
Warp12 said:
Is your contention that no one is willing to break the law to sway an election?



You know that the ACLU and others have made an issue out of signature verification being unjust, along with ID requirements?


I guess there is no level of verification that is acceptable. Probably phoning votes in is the best choice.
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You're making an overbroad claim.

The ACLU takes issue with the signature verification process in terms of allowing the voter a realistic opportunity to appeal the rejection.

They do not object to ID, they object to a restricted set of types of ID, all of which have onerous restrictions that effectively become a poll tax.
 
Warp12 said:
I find this amusing. In a forum where people can't wait to condemn the willfully ignorant, you give a free pass to those who are willfully ignorant of even which date to vote on? These sound like responsible, informed voters, right...the people we want to shape the future of our country?
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It's very telling that you seem to want to make sure that only certain people should be permitted to vote. What criteria would you implement?
 
Captain_Swoop said:
If your neighbour stole your ballot and decided to commit a federal crime by using it how is that a problem with the system and not a problem with you neighbour?
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Don't play his game. Even if what he said was true, one vote isn't likely to sway the election. It would take a large number of illegal votes to make a difference. That would be quite an endeavor that would be nearly impossible to keep secret. There is no evidence that anything like that has occurred.
 
Warp12 said:
Well, that is a fair question that I will look into. I can tell you, though, the whole process felt very vague; even when I asked the post office to postmark the ballot (required), they didn't even understand why. I thought to myself, "how many ballots will be rejected, when they aren't even postmarked"?
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Your use of the word "vague" here is very informative to the reader of your posts. Vagueness of understanding can lead to what Stephen Colbert coined "truthiness." A gap can be filled by belief, misinformation or conspiratorial thinking.

Officials in a position to know have called the 2020 election the most secure in the nation's history.

But yeah, the credulous, in their superior truthiness, say otherwise.
 
Lurch said:
...Officials in a position to know have called the 2020 election the most secure in the nation's history...
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To borrow a page from the MTG playbook, how 'secure' could the election have been when the result was a win for Joe Biden?

When we KNOW donald trump won and won by a landslide?
 

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Warp12 said:
...Now, a real threat is something like mail-in voting, and not requiring any ID to vote. The possibility of fraud is off the charts, and I am sure you can see that.
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No I cannot see that. Why is it people making claims like this seem oblivious to the whole process of registering to vote?
It's not like you can grab a stack of ballots and just start filling them out. At most, and it has been shown to be an insignificant number, someone will vote using another person's ballot.

Another issue with voter registration is the roles don't get cleaned up enough. So when someone moves and registers again, they end up registered in more than one data base. Again an incredibly insignificant number of people vote twice using an old or fake registration.

And when registering on election day people get provisional ballots. You can't just go from voting site to voting site registering and re-registering on election day. Those provisional ballots are held out of the count. It's my understanding if the provisional ballots are in great enough numbers that they might influence the outcome of the vote, the voter is investigated to confirm they are who they say they are and live where they say they do before counting that vote.

The idea people without ID are voting multiple times is BS. One would have to register to vote multiple times well in advance of election day. To carry out any kind of fraud with mail-in ballots, registering on the day of election or voting without an ID, there are registration roles one can check.

You would need an army of people to carry this kind of fraud out. You would need individuals and maybe they might vote twice. There is no way to stuff ballot boxes with thousands of ballots from people not registered to vote. And it would be easy to catch them, they'd be charged with a crime.


It makes me think people who believe this crap that elections can be changed with fake voters have never actually voted. I'm registered in a state that has all mail in ballots. My ballot comes in the mail to me at my address because I am registered. People can't just go out and mail in dozens of ballots. Where would they get them from? Even if they printed them up, the ballots have to match up with voter registration.

If you've ever voted in person at the polls, you go in, find the person with the list from your voter district, they find your name on the voter registration list, you sign the list next to your name and they give you a ballot. Again if you register on the same day or your name is not on the list, you get a provisional ballot that has to be confirmed before the vote is counted.

If someone votes using your name before you get to the polls, I'm pretty sure that ballot can be retrieved from the system. The ballot you get in the mail or at the polls are identified by a number. I have my stub from my mail in ballot and I can actually track if it was received and counted using that number. And if you don't get your mail-in ballot because someone stole it from your mailbox, that ballot can't be used by someone else because once you report not getting a ballot, that missing ballot can be flagged if it is received, and removed from the count.

Then there is your signature on that ballot and it needs to match to some extent. If it doesn't look right you might get a notice to show up and confirm that is your signature.

Anyone trying to scam this system at most could get away with one or two extra votes. It's nuts to believe without voter ID people can just go out and fill out dozens of ballots. You would need a ******* army of individuals to have any kind of impact on a federal election because at most they might vote twice.

There is no massive voter fraud and voter registration stops you from simply registering multiple times. It's when you register that your ID is checked. You might need to show that you live at the address you say you do. Or even if it's not checked, I'm pretty sure any significant number of people registering and later voting more than once amounts to a tiny insignificant number of votes.

You, Warp12, have bought into the big lie that somehow without voter ID some kind of massive voter fraud is possible. It is not because registering to vote makes it impossible.
 
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