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Moderated Money/inequalities - Part 3 / Poll - willing to work for free?

Are you willing to work for free if the goods and services are free?

  • Yes

    Votes: 23 31.5%

  • No

    Votes: 35 47.9%

  • I don't know

    Votes: 15 20.5%
  • Total voters
    73
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People on earth consume natural ressources and the end of july is the day where the people have consumed what the earth can provide in one year. We use more what the earth can produce and if we keep on like that will come one time where there will be no ressource left.
 
Some of that vaguely parsable pidgin english is true, but the problem is not the system of barter but the drive for consumption itself. Money is just the medium of consumption.

I note that you have declined to respond to my last post. I wonder why.
 
Gaetan said:
People on earth consume natural ressources and the end of july is the day where the people have consumed what the earth can provide in one year. We use more what the earth can produce and if we keep on like that will come one time where there will be no ressource left.
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And your plan to reduce the over-consumption of resources is to make them all free. Well, how will that help?
 
Jack by the hedge said:
And your plan to reduce the over-consumption of resources is to make them all free. Well, how will that help?
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In a world of money profit is the insentive of over exploitation and waste of ressources, for exemple, to make product repairable and recyclable is not profitable in term of money.
 
Gaetan said:
In a world of money profit is the insentive of over exploitation and waste of ressources, for exemple, to make product repairable and recyclable is not profitable in term of money.
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People don't buy stuff because they want to make profits for the manufacturers, manufacturers make stuff people want. Money limits how much of it they can get. When you make it free they can take as much as they please and when something is worn or just needs a wash they can throw it away and take another free one. Where's the incentive to repair or recycle when you can just help yourself to a new one?
 
Jack by the hedge said:
People don't buy stuff because they want to make profits for the manufacturers, manufacturers make stuff people want. Money limits how much of it they can get. When you make it free they can take as much as they please and when something is worn or just needs a wash they can throw it away and take another free one. Where's the incentive to repair or recycle when you can just help yourself to a new one?
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This is where Gaetan's claims fall apart like a cheap suit. We know that people are capable of stealing, looting and hoarding.

Gaetan's assertion is that people will only take what they "need". That is totally false or Gaetan is completely off the rails.

We also know that when people have no skin in the game, they tend to not care about things like maintenance or saving for a rainy day. Why take care of your home when you can trash it and just take another one? Same goes for your car.

Gaetan has yet to prove he is serious about his no money world by sending me all of his money to get things started.
 
Joecool said:
This is where Gaetan's claims fall apart like a cheap suit. We know that people are capable of stealing, looting and hoarding.

Gaetan's assertion is that people will only take what they "need". That is totally false or Gaetan is completely off the rails.
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Why people will take 2 chickens when they can only eat one? Why a guy would take 2 chain saws when he only need one?
 
Gaetan said:
Why people will take 2 chickens when they can only eat one? Why a guy would take 2 chain saws when he only need one?
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They'll take 2 chickens because if they only take 1 and come back in a few days other people will have taken all the chickens.

Does abolishing money magically make chickens a limitless resource.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
They'll take 2 chickens because if they only take 1 and come back in a few days other people will have taken all the chickens.

Does abolishing money magically make chickens a limitless resource.
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Even if you say the opposite we all know here that in a world of no money people won't take more than what they need and it have been like that for ever, it doesn't make any sense to waste ressources.
 
Absurd nonsense yet again Gaetan. You are simply declaring yourself correct and claiming you know more about what people want than they do.

At this point you're nothing more than a troll, and a pretty poor one at that.
 
Gaetan said:
Even if you say the opposite we all know here that in a world of no money people won't take more than what they need and it have been like that for ever, it doesn't make any sense to waste ressources.
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Garbage. That's just not true. A small tribe or band of related humans will share and look after their own resources but they will compete with other bands for control of other resources. That is how we evolved and it made us what we are now. You can't change human nature by abolishing money.
 
Gaetan said:
Even if you say the opposite we all know here that in a world of no money people won't take more than what they need and it have been like that for ever, it doesn't make any sense to waste ressources.
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As already cited before people waste (in the USA) about 1/3 of the food they purchase. So even when they do have to pay for it, people take and waste more then they need or even just eat.
 
The Man said:
As already cited before people waste (in the USA) about 1/3 of the food they purchase. So even when they do have to pay for it, people take and waste more then they need or even just eat.
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That what i say, when people pay for it they waste but in a world of no money you see things differently. In food banks when it is free people don't take more than they need.
 
This is nonsense. Absolute gibberish.


Address peoples points Gaetan don't just handwave them away.
 
Gaetan said:
That what i say, when people pay for it they waste but in a world of no money you see things differently. In food banks when it is free people don't take more than they need.
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So in Gaetan-Land the Tragedy of the Commons has been solved! Without actually addressing it! Magic!

Would you be so kind as to address the questions asked by MarkCorrigan, and stop being ever so rude?

Edit - It's also clear that you don't know how food banks work.
 
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Jack by the hedge said:
So the future of society you want is food banks.
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I wonder if Gaetan knows that food banks are rich in highly processed foodstuff and not so much in fresh produce? And currently in Covid-land, it's mostly here is a box of foodstuff, next customer.

Don't worry, your master will provide you with your daily rations, if your work is satisfactory.
 
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