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The Sinking of MS Estonia: Case Re-Opened

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I'm not seeing a mystery here.

The bow ramp was damaged, water poured in, and the ship sank. I've lived my entire life next to the ocean. Boats with small mechanical issues find themselves in trouble all the time, and if that boat out in a storm it almost always goes under. Makes no difference if it's a squid boat or a destroyer. If a key part of the water-tight structure has a problem the sea will grab onto it with both hands. Bolts pop, tie-downs fail, unsecured hatches beat themselves until they cannot close.

The Estonia's ramp failed, and like the USS Indianapolis whose bow was blown off by the first torpedo, a big hole in the front of the ship is a bad thing.

As folks in the US desert south west are reminded, 2 feet of moving water is all it takes to turn your car into a boat, and with the pitching sea combined with rising sea water the automobiles would have shifted, and made it impossible to keep the trim.

Oh, and for fun, the Titanic didn't capsize, and it took forever for the Bismarck to sink even with all of those torpedo hits (because warships are not ferries).
 
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Axxman300 said:
I'm not seeing a mystery here.

The bow ramp was damaged, water poured in, and the ship sank. I've lived my entire life next to the ocean. Boats with small mechanical issues find themselves in trouble all the time, and if that boat out in a storm it almost always goes under. Makes no difference if it's a squid boat or a destroyer. If a key part of the water-tight structure has a problem the sea will grab onto it with both hands. Bolts pop, tie-downs fail, unsecured hatches beat themselves until they cannot close.

The Estonia's ramp failed, and like the USS Indianapolis whose bow was blown off by the first torpedo, a big hole in the front of the ship is a bad thing.

As folks in the US desert south west are reminded, 2 feet of moving water is all it takes to turn your car into a boat, and with the pitching sea combined with rising sea water the automobiles would have shifted, and made it impossible to keep the trim.

Oh, and for fun, the Titanic didn't capsize, and it took forever for the Bismarck to sink even with all of those torpedo hits (because warships are not ferrys).
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You make a lousy CT’ist. Maybe you need more exposure to Vixen’s posts.
 
Steve said:
You make a lousy CT’ist. Maybe you need more exposure to Vixen’s posts.
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This is what actually happened. The Russian President of the time, Thanos, realised Sweden was smuggling the Infinity Stones away using the ferry. Thanos knew this because he saw trucks loading up the ferry in the middle of the night. These trucks were completely blacked out apart from a sign on the side that said "SUPER SEKRET SWEDISH MILITARY".

Thanos sent his henchman, Antman, to board the ferry to retrieve the stones. Now the Swedes were not stupid, they had their top agent onboard, Captain Sweden. Captain Sweden dazzled Antman with his super blonde perm then bombarded him with ABBA's Dancing Queen on a continuous loop. Captain Sweden raced to retrieve the stones so he could ferry (get it?) them away on Bruce Wayne's submarine that was following. Antman realising he couldn't stop Captain Sweden, reduced himself in size and pushed out the bolts holding the bow doors secure. The resulting flooding sank the ferry.

The Swedes realising they had to contain the power of the stones, encased the wreck in concrete.

This all fact. I know it's fact because some guy told me.
 
Steve said:
You make a lousy CT’ist. Maybe you need more exposure to Vixen’s posts.
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Well...obviously the submarine was IN the Estonia's car deck. It was obviously a stolen Russian sub, and them eeevilll Swedes learned the Russians were onto them. So they set charges on the bow-ramp, and launched the sub to sail it to their secret submarine base. Obviously the Swedes have way more submarines than they're letting on in order to one day control the world's oceans.


...Better?:D
 
Axxman300 said:
Well...obviously the submarine was IN the Estonia's car deck. It was obviously a stolen Russian sub, and them eeevilll Swedes learned the Russians were onto them. So they set charges on the bow-ramp, and launched the sub to sail it to their secret submarine base. Obviously the Swedes have way more submarines than they're letting on in order to one day control the world's oceans.


...Better?:D
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Quick learner! :thumbsup:
 
Axxman300 said:
Obviously the Swedish navy has a secret submarine, probably one of their Schrodinger-Class boats.
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It's actually a folding combination submarine, fishing trawler, cigarette boat, battleship, schooner, barge, and helicopter. Purchased, of course, from the Swiss.
 
Myriad said:
It's actually a folding combination submarine, fishing trawler, cigarette boat, battleship, schooner, barge, and helicopter. Purchased, of course, from the Swiss.
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It's a little-known fact that because Switzerland has borders across lakes with four hostile foreign powers, the country spends 85% of its GDP on highly sophisticated submarine technology.
 
malbui said:
It's a little-known fact that because Switzerland has borders across lakes with four hostile foreign powers, the country spends 85% of its GDP on highly sophisticated submarine technology.
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Five hostile countries.
Even fewer people, not even you apparently, know about their ultra secret riverine submarine force.
 
erwinl said:
Cars and lorries are designed to withstand weather conditions.
Being for several hours in a layer of seawater is not part of that.

I've been to the UK many times via car ferry and the lower deck was always completely dry when we arrived there, or back again.

Dry other than through rainwater dripping of cars if it had been raining during embarking.

Seawater, especially if it is several centimeters deep is not normal on a car ferry.
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Please do not misquote me. I did not say it was 'normal', I said it was 'not uncommon'. Just because it never happened to your vehicle, does not mean it never happens.


http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=13561221#post13561221
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Why would it turn completely turtle before sinking? If the ship is on the bottom of the sea it has sunk.
I can show you plenty of ships that sank without turning completely over, I can show you ships that went down on an even keel.
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A ship will not sink unless its hull is breached in some way. The ships which you claim sank without turtling were likely never seaworthy in t he first place. For example, the Eastland which was grossly top heavy and overloaded.

The Derbyshire was a freak accident of nature and went down in a typhoon. We don't know whether it capsized first or not but it may have been smashed in some way.

You can't say the Estonia sank through force majeure (the hand of God).
 
Vixen said:
Survivors' eyewitness accounts.
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If the ship came to a halt it must have hit something head on that was large enough to arrest it's motion.
Do you know the inertial of a ship the size of a ferry?
Why would a glancing blow to the beam from a sub of around 1000, to 1500 tons stop a ship?

If it hit anything head on the damage would be to the bow and the bulb below the waterline.

A 1500 ton sub would not have stopped it and likely would have been sunk.
 
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