Tucker Carlson in Hungary

[carlitos]

Full disclosure - I was slow to catch on to the actual risk of Trump et al turning the USA seriously towards fascism. I was wrong to dismiss and ridicule those here who were more strident in their warnings. Here is another move in that direction, that I find truly frightening. Why on earth (other than the obvious pro-fascism) would the #1 cable news host in the USA be visiting a tyrant who is killing Hungarian democracy?

(I think that "USA Politics" is the best place for this - I could be wrong)

Geez - forgot the link too. Article seems free to read. He is hosting his show from Budapest for the week.

Tucker Carlson to speak at Far Right Conference in Hungary

 

[RolandRat]

Not quite sure it was Trump that turned Fox and Carlson in that direction.

 

[carlitos]

I meant his host of right-wing enablers in my "et al" - this certainly includes the far-right media in my view. I didn't mean that Trump was the sole agent, just that I missed the seriousness of the problem under his presidency. (ETA - for the first few years, at least)

 

[sackett]

If Delerious Donnie was the world's leading fascist, we could all relax. What he amounts to really is a sort of kitchen tool, a can-opener to release the malign emotions of fascism.

Somebody once observed that nihilism lies at the heart of fascism. My own addition is that fascism is juvenile delinquency for grownups. And man! is it ever fun for immature, ill-stocked minds!

No wonder Trumph is so popular with the new brownshirts.

 

[Cain]

Settle down, there's a perfectly innocent explanation for Carlson hosting his show from Hungary: It's a safe spot for meeting with Putin's people to plan a run in 2024.

 

[dudalb]

If Delerious Donnie was the world's leading fascist, we could all relax. What he amounts to really is a sort of kitchen tool, a can-opener to release the malign emotions of fascism.

Somebody once observed that nihilism lies at the heart of fascism. My own addition is that fascism is juvenile delinquency for grownups. And man! is it ever fun for immature, ill-stocked minds!

No wonder Trumph is so popular with the new brownshirts.

Sadly, I blame a lot of this becuase "the greatest generation" has pretty much passed away, and the living memory of what fascism is and what it does is gone.
And I am afraid we have new generation for whom fascism sounds good, and the internet has given Fascists a whole new field of operation.
Fascists have become very good at portraying themsleves as edgy rebels against "The Man" and too many young males are suckers for that line.
I am afraid it going to come down to what happened n the 1940s: It is going to become necessary to kill a number of the bastards to keep them from taking over.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Popular fascist to enviously showcase foreign despot to adoring audience. Healthy nation we got here, surely not a sign of bad things to come.

 

[plague311]

I am afraid it going to come down to what happened n the 1940s: It is going to become necessary to kill a number of the bastards to keep them from taking over.

You've kind of been saying this for awhile now.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Sadly, I blame a lot of this becuase "the greatest generation" has pretty much passed away, and the living memory of what fascism is and what it does is gone.
And I am afraid we have new generation for whom fascism sounds good, and the internet has given Fascists a whole new field of operation.
Fascists have become very good at portraying themsleves as edgy rebels against "The Man" and too many young males are suckers for that line.
I am afraid it going to come down to what happened n the 1940s: It is going to become necessary to kill a number of the bastards to keep them from taking over.

Funny, while there's certainly a cohort of young macho men that seem taken by our current fascist movement, seems to me that Facebook and Fox News poisoned boomers are the heart and soul of this thing.

Younger fash like groypers are a vocal minority that are despised by their similar age peers. Trump's base is disproportionately elderly, and one glimmer of hope is that our current bout of fascism may simply be the death throws of the extremely brain-diseased Boomers.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2016/10/25/7d0c6a62-9aef-11e6-b3c9-f662adaa0048_story.html

We may not have to machine gun down the fascists this time, we may just have to put them all in nursing homes and wait for the inevitable die-off.

 

[Stacyhs]

Funny, while there's certainly a cohort of young macho men that seem taken by our current fascist movement, seems to me that Facebook and Fox News poisoned boomers are the heart and soul of this thing.
Younger fash like groypers are a vocal minority that are despised by their similar age peers. Trump's base is disproportionately elderly, and one glimmer of hope is that our current bout of fascism may simply be the death throws of the extremely brain-diseased Boomers.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2016/10/25/7d0c6a62-9aef-11e6-b3c9-f662adaa0048_story.html

We may not have to machine gun down the fascists this time, we may just have to put them all in nursing homes and wait for the inevitable die-off.

You and the author of that stupid article are mixing up 'Boomers' with the 'Silent Generation' who are older than boomers.

According to Pew research:

Among Boomers, roughly equal shares identify with or lean toward both parties (48% Democrats, 46% Republicans).

The Silent Generation is the only generation in which, on balance, more registered voters identify as or lean Republican (52%) than identify with or lean Democratic (43%).

https://www.pewresearch.org/politic...on-midterm-voting-preferences-views-of-trump/

Unfortunately, we Boomers get lumped in with the Silent Generation when it comes to who voted for Trump.

 

[smartcooky]

Sadly, I blame a lot of this becuase "the greatest generation" has pretty much passed away, and the living memory of what fascism is and what it does is gone.
And I am afraid we have new generation for whom fascism sounds good, and the internet has given Fascists a whole new field of operation.
Fascists have become very good at portraying themsleves as edgy rebels against "The Man" and too many young males are suckers for that line.
I am afraid it going to come down to what happened n the 1940s: It is going to become necessary to kill a number of the bastards to keep them from taking over.

The only problem I have with this line of thinking, is that if you follow it to its logical conclusion, those "many young males", the ones who have a history of issues with "The Man", ought to be predominantly black - instead they are almost exclusively white, poorly educated rednecks.

 

[zorro99]

Carlson should stay in Hungary forever.

 

[dudalb]

The only problem I have with this line of thinking, is that if you follow it to its logical conclusion, those "many young males", the ones who have a history of issues with "The Man", ought to be predominantly black - instead they are almost exclusively white, poorly educated rednecks.

That's the point, they fantaszie about themselves as daring rebels. Everybody want to be Neo.

 

[Craig4]

Getting in bed with Hungarian authoritarians isn't the sort of thing blue chip advertisers are looking for. With no more "My Pillow" ads during his show, making himself more radioactive to prime time advertisers is probably not the best plan.

 

[mumblethrax]

Unfortunately, we Boomers get lumped in with the Silent Generation when it comes to who voted for Trump.

Because Boomers voted for Trump--party identification, congressional votes, and job approval aren't directly relevant to that question.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/politics/election-exit-polls.html
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/exit-polls-president.html

Don't get me wrong, boomers did some good things too. I think they built the aqueducts?

 

[Stacyhs]

Because Boomers voted for Trump--party identification and job approval aren't directly relevant to that question.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/politics/election-exit-polls.html
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/exit-polls-president.html

Don't get me wrong, boomers did some good things too. I think they built the aqueducts?

Paywall. Do either of these articles differentiate between Boomers (born 1946-1964) and the older Silent Generation (born 1928-1945)? I can only find one poll that does and that's the Pew Research which I quoted.

Here's more info from Pew who does separate Boomers from the S.Generation:

Generation Xers, those ages 40 to 55 in 2020, divided relatively evenly (51% to 48%), as did Baby Boomers. Only among members of the Silent Generation, ages 75 to 92 in 2020, was Trump clearly favored (by 58%-42%). Notably, Boomers and Silents (and the very small number of voters from the Greatest Generation) made up less than half of the electorate in 2020 (44%), compared with just over half in both 2016 and 2018.

That it's Boomers who mainly supported and voted for Trump is simply not true.


Was your 'aqueduct' quip supposed to be witty?

 

[mumblethrax]

Paywall. Do either of these articles differentiate between Boomers (born 1946-1964) and the older Silent Generation (born 1928-1945)? I can only find one poll that does and that's the Pew Research which I quoted.

It distinguishes between the usual age demographics rather than generations, but every group older than 30-44 voted for Trump in 2016. I suppose you can imagine that boomers were weighed down by Trump voters both in the silent generation and gen x, if you like.

That it's Boomers who mainly supported and voted for Trump is simply not true.

No one made that claim, as far as I can tell. Still, 'boomers' and 'silent generation' aren't just clever names.

Was your 'aqueduct' quip supposed to be witty?

More like conciliatory, but I can see you're not in the mood.

 

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
Funny, while there's certainly a cohort of young macho men that seem taken by our current fascist movement, seems to me that Facebook and Fox News poisoned boomers are the heart and soul of this thing.

Because Boomers voted for Trump--party identification, congressional votes, and job approval aren't directly relevant to that question.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/politics/election-exit-polls.html
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/exit-polls-president.html

Don't get me wrong, boomers did some good things too. I think they built the aqueducts?

It distinguishes between the usual age demographics rather than generations, but every group older than 30-44 voted for Trump in 2016. I suppose you can imagine that boomers were weighed down by Trump voters both in the silent generation and gen x, if you like.

It's not about my liking it or not. It's just a fact.

That it's Boomers who mainly supported and voted for Trump is simply not true.

No one made that claim, as far as I can tell. Still, 'boomers' and 'silent generation' aren't just clever names.

You, Suburban Turkey, and the writer of the article I referred to did. I also see blaming Boomers for Trump all the time because they lump us in with our parent's generation. Try googling about the demographics of the election and you'll see "Boomers" included with anyone older than 60.

 

[mumblethrax]

It's not about my liking it or not. It's just a fact.

You have not established that fact. The reality is that boomers did vote for Trump, so it's a bit odd to object that people are confusing boomers and the silent generation with respect to Trump support. Nobody is really doing that--it's just that the silent generation never had the numbers, and is now suffering significant attrition for obvious reasons.

You, Suburban Turkey, and the writer of the article I referred to did.

That's simply not true.

I also see blaming Boomers for Trump all the time because they lump us in with our parent's generation. Try googling about the demographics of the election and you'll see "Boomers" included with anyone older than 60.

Your generation's parents are (mostly) the greatest generation, and they're (mostly) dead.

As for boomers getting lumped in with the silent generation--that's because age is a better predictor of electoral support than generation. The 45-64 group in both 2016 and 2020 also voted for Trump (with remarkable similarity to the older cohort, and consistency between 2016 and 2020). It's just not plausible, given their numbers, that boomers did anything other than vote for Trump.

 

[Stacyhs]

You have not established that fact. The reality is that boomers did vote for Trump, so it's a bit odd to object that people are confusing boomers and the silent generation with respect to Trump support. Nobody is really doing that--it's just that the silent generation never had the numbers, and is now suffering significant attrition for obvious reasons.

I think I have with the Pew Research numbers. What have you provided showing otherwise? Nothing...because you have not provided any numbers that don't lump Boomers in with the SG. BOOMERS ARE NOT THE SAME GENERATION AS THE SILENT GENERATION.

That's simply not true.

Really? I've quoted both you and ST saying exactly that. And so does the article.

Your generation's parents are (mostly) the greatest generation, and they're (mostly) dead.

Nope. My generation's parents are mostly the Silent Generation. Their parents were the Greatest Generation. My parents were born in 1928... the first year of the Silent Generation. And my dad was too young to serve in WWII by one year.

As for boomers getting lumped in with the silent generation--that's because age is a better predictor of electoral support than generation. The 45-64 group in both 2016 and 2020 also voted for Trump (with remarkable similarity to the older cohort, and consistency between 2016 and 2020). It's just not plausible, given their numbers, that boomers did anything other than vote for Trump.

We get lumped in out of convenience and the assumption we vote the same which is not true as I've shown. Does Gen X get lumped in with Millenials? Does Gen Z get lumped in with Millenials when looking at voting records? NO. They get their own data. Just look at the articles.

Boomers, not the SG, are mostly registered Democrats: 48% Democrats, 46% Republicans.