The Jan. 6 Investigation

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RecoveringYuppy said:
Think your typos have obscured your meaning. You seem to be saying the appropriate thing for Ghomert to have done is to accuse the Capitol Police of ambushing Babett. That doesn't seem to make sense.
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Yeah, i meant New Accusations . Gohmert is a total nutjob.
WAPO did an article today about how Ashli has beomce that Horst Wessel for the Trump movement.
 
I made a mistake. It was Gosart, not Gohmert who made the accusation about an ambush.

From the WAPO:

Who executed Ashli Babbitt?” Gosar, a Trump ally, asked acting U.S. attorney general Jeffrey Rosen at a hearing in May. A month later, while questioning FBI Director Christopher A. Wray, Gosar said the officer “appeared to be hiding, lying in wait and then gave no warning before killing her.”
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Trebuchet said:
Gohmert is the stupidest man in Congress, but not the only stupid man in Congress. And if you make it "stupidest person", Greene and Boebert give him a run for his money.
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They don't have to be smart, they just need the ability to gull and grift their base. Which they are doing, for time being.
 
Gosart's own siblings say he's nuts and want nothing to do with him:
Three of Rep. Paul Gosar's (R-Ariz.) siblings have called on him to be expelled from Congress, The Arizona Republic reported, placing blame on the congressman for helping incite the violent riot that took place at the Capitol on Wednesday.

Gosar’s siblings sent a letter to Rep. Raúl Grijalva (D-Ariz.) asking for his help in removing their brother from Congress, the newspaper reported.

It's the third time in three years that members of Gosar's family have publicly voiced their disapproval of the representative.


"We know him to be an extremist and we took that very seriously," Jennifer Gosar told the newspaper. "I believe that my brother has been a constant perpetrator of misinformation. ... I've been incredulous at the lack of accountability thus far. I would think Wednesday would be certainly a line."
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https://thehill.com/homenews/house/...-him-removed-from-congress-after-capitol-riot
"When you talk about what happened the other day, you're talking about treason. You're talking about overthrowing the government. That's what this is. If that doesn't rise to the level of expulsion, what does?" said Tim Gosar.
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It's as if GOP Congressmembers are vying to be crowned King and Queen of the Stupid Prom.
 
dudalb said:
Yeah, i meant New Accusations . Gohmert is a total nutjob.
WAPO did an article today about how Ashli has beomce that Horst Wessel for the Trump movement.
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WAPO is slow on the uptake. I recognized this new role of Babbitt's some weeks back. Next up; the sacred Blood Banner ritual. Someone's gonna come up with some purported blood-stained scrap of material attributed to her attire.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Listen who among doesn't grab the first pair of restraints we see lying about, just on the off chance we'll need them later?
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I have a couple of pairs of handcuffs in my backpack, part os my standard kit.
 
theprestige said:
I'm sorry if this has already been asked and answered.
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I very much doubt that you are.
What questions, exactly, is this investigation investigating?
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It took me about 30 seconds to find the relevant House resolution establishing the select committee. I come here to learn a bit about US politics and I find the sort of jaq-ing off you indulge in really, really tiresome. It adds absolutely nothing to the discussion.
 
catsmate said:
I have a couple of pairs of handcuffs in my backpack, part os my standard kit.
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You mean like these?

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Dragon said:
I very much doubt that you are.


It took me about 30 seconds to find the relevant House resolution establishing the select committee. I come here to learn a bit about US politics and I find the sort of jaq-ing off you indulge in really, really tiresome. It adds absolutely nothing to the discussion.
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That's not a bug, its a feature!
 
Stacyhs said:
Is there such a thing as a "professional" insurrectionist? Several of those charged have military and/or law enforcement experience, especially the Oath Keepers.




https://www.npr.org/2021/04/10/9854...oup-founder-scrutinized-in-capitol-riot-probe
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Plenty of the people involved with the more serious crimes like conspiracy or attacking the police had previous experience with street violence at smaller actions throughout the country over the last few years.

The Jan6 attack was not a one-off phenomena, but merely the capstone of a long running series of right wing violent street rallies. Like the Capitol attack, police inaction, if not explicit cooperation, played a big role in allowing these attacks to occur without meaningful resistance or criminal consequences for those involved.

Many of these Proud Boys were routinely jetting around the country to take part in street brawls and violent anti-government rallies and would have been easy targets for local or federal law enforcement should they had the desire to do their duty.

The Jan6 attack was only the most extreme example showing the danger that comes when police willfully turn a blind eye to fascist violence.

For example: Ethan Nordean, a Proud Boy leader currently facing conspiracy charges, became a meme for beating a counter protestor unconscious at a fascist rally turned riot in Portland in 2018. Police inaction against organized fascist violence is a long standing problem in this country. Proud Boys getting away with broad daylight crimes again and again was a huge factor in their rise of popularity and increasing boldness.
 
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theprestige said:
I'm sorry if this has already been asked and answered. What questions, exactly, is this investigation investigating?
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None. It's all just showboating for politics. There are no questions, no facts in dispute, and they have no meaningful objective. It's purely to waste taxpayer money by keeping people busy and for soundbites for the next election cycle.

There, I said it for you so we don't have to go through this coy ******** of you trying to con others into saying what you want to say.

None of what I posted up there is true though. If you're confused what it's investigating, maybe you should start with some basic googling, and then come back with actual questions.
 
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plague311 said:
None. It's all just a showboating for politics. There are no questions, no facts in dispute, and they have no meaningful objective. It's purely to waste taxpayer money by keeping people busy and for soundbites for the next election cycle.

There, I said it for you so we don't have to go through this coy ******** of you trying to con others into saying what you want to say.

None of what I posted up there is true though. If you're confused what it's investigating, maybe you should start with same basic googling, and then come back with actual questions.
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A large portion of this investigation is largely going to be political showboating.

That's not a criticism though. This attack is part of a larger political crisis being drummed up by the fascist right, and fighting back against it will be inherently political as well. Staking out a firm position about the very basics of the attack: who was there, what happened, why it happened, and to what political purpose it served, is an important piece of political communication.

The attack is a direct result of the brand of fascist politics popular among the American right wing these days, and it's worthwhile goal to extract a political cost by publicly and painfully exploring the gritty details. If it galvanizes liberals and makes squishy right wingers (if there are any left at this point) waver in their support for an increasingly fascist Republican party, that's a good outcome.

I have to give Pelosi credit for being shrewd enough to realize this and deny Republicans a position to muddy the waters and go on tedious tangents meant to blunt the right wing's responsibility for the attack.

There is some real stuff to investigate though. I am hoping that they really sink their teeth into Capitol police leadership and get to the bottom of why the cops were so woefully underprepared for the obviously telegraphed right wing threat. It remains to be seen if this happens.

TL;DR: It's a good thing if Democrats are waving the bloody shirt.
 
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SuburbanTurkey said:
A large portion of this investigation is largely going to be political showboating.

That's not a criticism though. This attack is part of a larger political crisis being drummed up by the fascist right, and fighting back against it will be inherently political as well. Staking out a firm position about the very basics of the attack: who was there, what happened, why it happened, and to what political purpose it served, is an important piece of political communication.

The attack is a direct result of the brand of fascist politics popular among the American right wing these days, and it's worthwhile goal to extract a political cost by publicly and painfully exploring the gritty details.

I have to give Pelosi credit for being shrewd enough to realize this and deny Republicans a position to muddy the waters and go on tedious tangents meant to blunt the right wing's responsibility for the attack. If it galvanizes liberals and makes squishy right wingers (if there are any left at this point) waver in their support for an increasingly fascist Republican party, that's a good outcome.

There is some real stuff to investigate though. I am hoping that they really sink their teeth into Capitol police leadership and get to the bottom of why the cops were so woefully underprepared for the obviously telegraphed right wing threat. It remains to be seen if this happens.
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Yes, it's possible to score political points as part of a substantive investigation. The two are not mutually exclusive.
 
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