Have you been vaccinated?

[Skeptic Ginger]

Hey, anti-vaxxers, migrants, who cares? We are all one big, happy family. Right?

Actually, yeah. Red states are currently the biggest problem.

 

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
Hey, anti-vaxxers, migrants, who cares? We are all one big, happy family. Right?

Actually, yeah. Red states are currently the biggest problem.

The unvaccinated, which consists of about half the population, are the ones fueling this pandemic right now. Without them, cases and the death toll would not be rising. But some don't want to acknowledge that and would rather misdirect to migrants. It's always so much easier for many to blame "others" than to take responsibility upon themselves.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Hey, anti-vaxxers, migrants, who cares? We are all one big, happy family. Right?

This is priceless, The Daily Show with clips of Fox talking heads fear mongering over migrants with COVID. Looks like it's where you got your talking point from.

The problem is however, the clips are juxtaposed with the same talking heads telling viewers COVID is a minor issue.

 

[Warp12]

The unvaccinated, which consists of about half the population, are the ones fueling this pandemic right now. Without them, cases and the death toll would not be rising. But some don't want to acknowledge that and would rather misdirect to migrants. It's always so much easier for many to blame "others" than to take responsibility upon themselves.

I don't think anyone should be directing the primary blame at migrants (illegal or otherwise). However, ignoring or denying the mathematics of transmission is idiotic...whether it is anti-vaxxer idiots, or migrants involved.

 

[Stacyhs]

What good are all these vaccinations? Until they stop the illegals from crossing our southern border we will always be at risk of it spreading

I don't think anyone should be directing the primary blame at migrants (illegal or otherwise). However, ignoring or denying the mathematics of transmission is idiotic...whether it is anti-vaxxer idiots, or migrants involved.

Immigrants are a drop in the bucket when it comes to the unvaccinated numbers. About 48-49% of Americans are fully vaccinated. That leaves almost 167,000,000 unvaccinated. Both legal and illegal immigrants have full access to the vaccine. Immigration status is not asked. Some form of ID may be asked for (another argument for letting even illegal immigrants get a driver's license) but it's not mandatory to have one in order to get the vaccine. But this is a barrier to many illegal immigrants who fear ICE will seize and deport them anyway. THESE people have a true reason "not to trust the government".

We have more vaccines than are being used and a lot is being shipped to other countries. Every immigrant being kept at the southern border in US custody should receive a vaccination.

 

[Steve]

I don't think anyone should be directing the primary blame at migrants (illegal or otherwise). However, ignoring or denying the mathematics of transmission is idiotic...whether it is anti-vaxxer idiots, or migrants involved.

The mathematics of transmission overwhelmingly show that anti-vax, anti-mask Americans are responsible for the vast majority of infections in your country.

 

[acbytesla]

Immigrants are a drop in the bucket when it comes to the unvaccinated numbers. About 48-49% of Americans are fully vaccinated. That leaves almost 167,000,000 unvaccinated. Both legal and illegal immigrants have full access to the vaccine. Immigration status is not asked. Some form of ID may be asked for (another argument for letting even illegal immigrants get a driver's license) but it's not mandatory to have one in order to get the vaccine. But this is a barrier to many illegal immigrants who fear ICE will seize and deport them anyway. THESE people have a true reason "not to trust the government".

We have more vaccines than are being used and a lot is being shipped to other countries. Every immigrant being kept at the southern border in US custody should receive a vaccination.

They ask for ID in some places, but it is NOT required. No one is supposed to be denied.

 

[Warp12]

The mathematics of transmission overwhelmingly show that anti-vax, anti-mask Americans are responsible for the vast majority of infections in your country.

Am I denying that? No.

I always hate avoiding a debate. But, here we are.

 

[Warp12]

Immigrants are a drop in the bucket when it comes to the unvaccinated numbers.

Does that also make them immune to the math, when it comes to transmission? No.

But, I agree, small area on the radar.

 

[Steve]

Am I denying that? No.

I always hate avoiding a debate. But, here we are.

Hard to tell.

 

[Stacyhs]

They ask for ID in some places, but it is NOT required. No one is supposed to be denied.

Yep. That's why wrote "Some form of ID may be asked for (another argument for letting even illegal immigrants get a driver's license) but it's not mandatory to have one in order to get the vaccine. But this is a barrier to many illegal immigrants who fear ICE will seize and deport them anyway."

 

[Stacyhs]

Does that also make them immune to the math, when it comes to transmission? No.

But, I agree, small area on the radar.

Did I say it did? It's as if you have to be contrary even when agreeing.

 

[abaddon]

So, what is the plan for this? How do you see it being implemented, in the US?

Why should I care? It isn't my messed up country.

If you are found to be in non-compliance with a vaccine mandate, what happens? Are you strapped down and injected with it, against your will, and then served with fines and/or imprisonment? Will we need to create an armed "Vaccine Enforcement Task Force", trained to locate and capture such people? Sounds a little dystopian, to me.

Nope. The unvaccinated will simply be barred from restaurants, cinemas, shops and what not. Their choice, their consequences.

I'm just wondering how you picture this playing out moving forward, with other vaccines and/or mandates that the government might make.

I don't. It is not an issue in my country. Apparently, we have fewer anti-vax idiots here.

 

[Warp12]

Does that also make them immune to the math, when it comes to transmission? No.

But, I agree, small area on the radar.

Did I say it did? It's as if you have to be contrary even when agreeing.

Ironic, and pointless, it would seem.

 

[Warp12]

Why should I care? It isn't my messed up country.

Now we're on to something.

 

[The Traveler]

So far all I see are the talking points of the press but lets look a little deeper;

It has become quite obvious that there is a manipulation going on with this covid vaccine . Where there is manipulation you can be sure there is going to be a lot more evil taking place. That's like a fundamental law of nature.

Now we can all agree that a vaccine is supposed to bring about an immunity to a specific disease. If it does not then it isn't a very good vaccine and if it does not protect at all then you have to question if it actually is a vaccine at all or if it is really something else that has been disguised as a vaccine meant to achieve some other purpose !

Now what do we see happening on the ground ?

Every body must get the vaccine, moral obligation and needs to be mandated by law for the common good. The reason being that those who do not get the vaccine can still infect those that do get the vaccine. DO YOU GUYS NOT SEE THE CONTRADICTION HERE.? It should be obvious that the vaccine is not actually expected to give immunity to covid so the obvious question is, what exactly is this vaccine supposed to achieve. What is the reason for it and why the panic to inject the entire population with it ?

When the polio vaccine came out it protected the recipient because it was an effective vaccine. There was no mandate by law to take it because every one knew that if you did not take it you could be infected by polio. So all took the vaccine and now the disease has all but gone extinct. That is how a true vaccine actually works !

Do I actually need to explain this further.

 

[Resume]

Do I actually need to explain this further.

No, but you're going to, aren't you?

And your post belongs in the CT sub-forum.

 

[Stacyhs]

So far all I see are the talking points of the press but lets look a little deeper;

It has become quite obvious that there is a manipulation going on with this covid vaccine . Where there is manipulation you can be sure there is going to be a lot more evil taking place. That's like a fundamental law of nature.

Now we can all agree that a vaccine is supposed to bring about an immunity to a specific disease. If it does not then it isn't a very good vaccine and if it does not protect at all then you have to question if it actually is a vaccine at all or if it is really something else that has been disguised as a vaccine meant to achieve some other purpose !

Now what do we see happening on the ground ?

Every body must get the vaccine, moral obligation and needs to be mandated by law for the common good. The reason being that those who do not get the vaccine can still infect those that do get the vaccine. DO YOU GUYS NOT SEE THE CONTRADICTION HERE.? It should be obvious that the vaccine is not actually expected to give immunity to covid so the obvious question is, what exactly is this vaccine supposed to achieve. What is the reason for it and why the panic to inject the entire population with it ?

When the polio vaccine came out it protected the recipient because it was an effective vaccine. There was no mandate by law to take it because every one knew that if you did not take it you could be infected by polio. So all took the vaccine and now the disease has all but gone extinct. That is how a true vaccine actually works !

Do I actually need to explain this further.

No, because your explanation is not based on scientific facts. It's just more conspiracy theory. All the epidemiologist around the world are conspiring to what? Magnetize us? Put tracking devices in us?

You obviously have little understanding of how mutating viruses and vaccines work. As the epidemiologists...you know, those doctors who have spend years becoming specialists in understanding epidemics...say, "the science hasn't changed; the virus has." But the vaccine, developed for the original strain, does give a lot of protection from either getting the new deadlier and more easily transmissible Delta variant (i.e. mutated virus) or from getting a serious or deadly case. When 99% of those dying from Covid, including the Delta variant, are unvaccinated, what is your explanation? Is it the child devouring, child sex trafficking Democrat Cabal?

You don't need to explain further: you need to stop reading conspiracy crap on the internet and listening to idiots on right wing media like Tucker Carlson and talk to a DOCTOR. You just might save your life or that of someone you love.

First red flag warning you're talking to a conspiracy theorist: when they say "look a little deeper".

 

[JoeMorgue]

Why are you dodging my point?

Because trolls em masse decided that was all they were going to do.

 

[acbytesla]

So far all I see are the talking points of the press but lets look a little deeper;

It has become quite obvious that there is a manipulation going on with this covid vaccine . Where there is manipulation you can be sure there is going to be a lot more evil taking place. That's like a fundamental law of nature.

Now we can all agree that a vaccine is supposed to bring about an immunity to a specific disease. If it does not then it isn't a very good vaccine and if it does not protect at all then you have to question if it actually is a vaccine at all or if it is really something else that has been disguised as a vaccine meant to achieve some other purpose !

Now what do we see happening on the ground ?

Every body must get the vaccine, moral obligation and needs to be mandated by law for the common good. The reason being that those who do not get the vaccine can still infect those that do get the vaccine. DO YOU GUYS NOT SEE THE CONTRADICTION HERE.? It should be obvious that the vaccine is not actually expected to give immunity to covid so the obvious question is, what exactly is this vaccine supposed to achieve. What is the reason for it and why the panic to inject the entire population with it ?

When the polio vaccine came out it protected the recipient because it was an effective vaccine. There was no mandate by law to take it because every one knew that if you did not take it you could be infected by polio. So all took the vaccine and now the disease has all but gone extinct. That is how a true vaccine actually works !

Do I actually need to explain this further.

What manipulation? What is the point? That the government is trying to save lives? Oh...bad government!

Wow. The level of ignorance is staggering. People get flu vaccines almost every year because the flu virus evolves. The vaccines change as well. COVID also evolves. The mRNA vaccines are not perfect but they do work for the vast majority of people. COVID kills people. The vaccine on the other hand actually saves lives.

The real question is why wouldn't you get the vaccine? Momentary discomfort? Don't people want to put COVID and the masks behind them? I sure as hell do.

That ANYONE has bought into the anti-vax conspiracy theories demonstrates just how stupid the human species is.