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The Jan. 6 Investigation

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jollyroger85 said:
The attempt to overturn the Democratic process was Unamerican. ANYONE who was inside that building should face time, and those who were clearly ringleaders deserve time at gitmo, with the same treatment given those suspected of involvement in things AL Qaeda etc, because there is no difference in who and what they are. Anyone who openly sympathizes with the guilty deserve an active FBI file as well.

You heard me.
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From your post count and join date, you may not be familiar with Cain. He's kind of the forum's Stephen Colbert, specifically the character he portrayed on the Colbert Report. Most of his posts are parodies meant to emphasize and mock the extreme views of others.
 
Belz... said:
Or, more accurately, posted a movie review after reading the title of another review for that movie... broadcast on Fox News.
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Considering the fact that the poster has more or less admitted in the past that a large part of his support of Trump was because he hurts the libs...I guess this is par for the course.
 
Susheel said:
Considering the fact that the poster has more or less admitted in the past that a large part of his support of Trump was because he hurts the libs...I guess this is par for the course.
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It's such a strange way to do politics, isn't it? Not any actual policies or goals you have for yourself and people around you, but just sticking it to some vague "other". That's so sad.
 
When somebody cites Clint Eastwood and Johnny Wayne as REAL men, I kinda take it for sarcasm.
 
Armitage72 said:
From your post count and join date, you may not be familiar with Cain. He's kind of the forum's Stephen Colbert, specifically the character he portrayed on the Colbert Report. Most of his posts are parodies meant to emphasize and mock the extreme views of others.
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Got it, I still spoke my piece.
 
Back in the good ole days, men experiencing trauma would keep a stiff upper lip and come home, become alcoholic wrecks that terrorize their families, and die young in a "gun cleaning" accident.
 
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theprestige said:
Of course emotionally detailed accounts are the best kind of accounts. I certainly hope that Congress passes new laws based on emotionally detailed accounts.
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The accounts also contained facts. Lots of facts. Let’s pay attention to the facts; people do occasionally get emotional when talking about attempted murder and the overthrow of a government, so we can just talk about facts.

Or do you prefer “alternate facts?”
 
autumn1971 said:
The accounts also contained facts. Lots of facts. Let’s pay attention to the facts; people do occasionally get emotional when talking about attempted murder and the overthrow of a government, so we can just talk about facts.
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Nope. Emotions present means we can ignore everything else. It's the low-hanging fruit principle.
 
autumn1971 said:
The accounts also contained facts. Lots of facts. Let’s pay attention to the facts; people do occasionally get emotional when talking about attempted murder and the overthrow of a government, so we can just talk about facts.
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OK, let's do that. Let's talk about the facts.

The DOJ has a web page set up for the January 6 cases:
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases
I'm going through the list right now. I can find no cases where anyone has been charged with attempted murder.

If protesters attempted to murder anyone, why have none of them been charges with such a crime? That seems... odd.
 
The Capitol riot was terrible, Trump should have been impeached, and he should be barred from public office and the police's testimony is basically just emotional appeal and not especially necessary. The important stuff will be white house records(now in the hands of the current administration) and a bunch of Trump staffers pleading the fifth or maybe even testifying.

Also, the vast majority of GOP pols in federal office are blatantly lying about the events.

Also, gotta love Trump, he's the only guy that can get progressives defending the police, FBI, and CIA and get conservatives to condemn and ignore those bulwarks against fascism.
 
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Ziggurat said:
OK, let's do that. Let's talk about the facts.

The DOJ has a web page set up for the January 6 cases:
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases
I'm going through the list right now. I can find no cases where anyone has been charged with attempted murder.

If protesters attempted to murder anyone, why have none of them been charges with such a crime? That seems... odd.
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It seems odd to you that prosecutors pick charges that are much easier to get a conviction on?
 
Two More Conservative posters: "They're being emotional!"

Two more points towards my hypothesis: "It's only wrong when a Liberal/Democrat/commie/progressive does it."
 
Belz... said:
Let's completely ignore their stated reasons for being there, to begin with.
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Oh, I certainly agree that the rioters could and maybe even should be charged with attempted murder, but it's certainly far more difficult to make a case that any one rioter was responsible for the attempt.

Maybe we should lay the charges for attempted murder at the feet of the guy who instigated the whole thing, as he's bound to be easier to convict. I'm sure Zig would be happy with that.
 
wareyin said:
It seems odd to you that prosecutors pick charges that are much easier to get a conviction on?
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Well, yes. Attempted murder is a very, very serious crime. Much more serious than trespass, much more serious than even assault. If someone has attempted to murder a capitol police officer, convicting them on a trespass charge doesn't really suffice. Why aren't prosecutors even trying to charge anyone with attempted murder? It isn't like the DOJ is unwilling to overprosecute, or to prosecute charges that they might not secure a conviction on. They do that **** all the time. And this isn't even a case of them just going after the most obvious culprits first. autumn1971 is claiming that there was attempted murder, but NO ONE is being charged with that.

Yes, that's very, very odd.

Unless he's just making **** up, and there was never any attempted murder. Then it's all perfectly normal.
 
wareyin said:
Oh, I certainly agree that the rioters could and maybe even should be charged with attempted murder, but it's certainly far more difficult to make a case that any one rioter was responsible for the attempt.
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I wasn't disagreeing with you; rather adding to your post against Zig's point.
 
Ziggurat said:
Yes, that's very, very odd.

Unless he's just making **** up, and there was never any attempted murder. Then it's all perfectly normal.
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Or unless it would be very hard to prove even though there's actual evidence, and they have better odds of conviction for lesser charges, getting attempted murderers off the streets.

This is standard stuff. What's odd is that this is a mystery to you once those on the receiving end are on your side of the political spectrum.

That's why it's better to not have a side on said spectrum.
 
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