Cont: Rioters storm and occupy the US Capitol - part 2

[Skeptic Ginger]

Kevin McCarthy says he opposed a bipartisan commission to investigate Jan. 6 because Pelosi wouldn't empower it to study "what built up to" the insurrection (in other words turn it into a forum to bash antifa)

That's what they really want, distract from the facts with false equivalences and whataboutisms.

I hope Pelosi addresses this directly in her opening remarks.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

10 years would probably be a decent offer. He's facing about 60 years.

This is the guy in the fur hat who beat down the doors where Babbitt was killed. DOJ is throwing the book at him.

...I don't know what weapon the prosecution has in mind. The assault appears to mostly just bumping into an officer and the only weapon I can possibly see is the helmet. I doubt those charges will result in conviction.

.... In most cases I don't think [felony murder] applies.

But in this case, there is a real possibility of a conviction of felony murder. I think that might have to go to DC law instead of Federal law. A Federal conviction could lead to DC charges.

I suspect his offer of "drop all charges" might well be countered with "life in prison". This probably will not go the way he expects. I don't think he has realized the severity of his crimes or the amount of trouble that he is in.

That bolded should be enough to convict him for the crime that led to Babbitt's death if that is the case.

Sounds about right to me.

 

[smartcooky]

586 - The latest idiots to win stupid prizes are;

Kevin Tuck FL

Nathaniel Tuck FL

Edward George, Jr. NC

Matthew DaSilva TX
Acts of physical violence in the Capitol grounds or buildings
Footage from January 6 shows DaSilva pushing against police shields directly outside the Capitol.

Michael Brock
Acts of physical violence in the Capitol grounds or buildings
Images from January 6 show Brock assaulting officers with a 4-foot-long rod outside of the Capitol.

 

[Belz...]

10 years would probably be a decent offer. He's facing about 60 years.

This is the guy in the fur hat who beat down the doors where Babbitt was killed. DOJ is throwing the book at him.

Ah I didn't realise it was him. I should've said 100.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

A touch of the SovCit? Or Trumpism 'deal' obsession?

Hard to say. Could just be normal frustration that comes with being crushed by our justice system. It's not a fun experience, I imagine.

I imagine a lot of these folks are getting quite the whiplash from cognitive dissonance. They were stopping the steal, Trump was going to lead them up the steps and expose the truth of the corrupt system. They were the storm.

In reality, Trump wound them up and then went home to watch them riot on TV. They got hung out to dry by their leaders and nothing really came of their attack other than a brief disruption of Congress and the total self-destruction of their own lives. Trump didn't pardon a single one of them, but now that's he's out of power and can't help them he's on TV saying they didn't do anything wrong.

Must be very confusing set of facts to square if your brain has been turned to wormwood by MAGA facebook and steady drip of Fox News.

 

[Ethan Thane Athen]

DEA agent arrested after filming himself with firearm while storming Capitol

And with his badge clearly visible too.

Perhaps he's over-compensating for his name, which most of his MAGA cronies probably think is very 'un-American'...

 

[pgwenthold]

Heard another rioter is pulling a sovereign citizen defense.

Dumb question: has anyone, anywhere in the US ever successfully used a sovcit defense?

This isn't a "long shot" attempt, it is pretty much dead in the water, right?

 

[smartcooky]

Heard another rioter is pulling a sovereign citizen defense.

Dumb question: has anyone, anywhere in the US ever successfully used a sovcit defense?

This isn't a "long shot" attempt, it is pretty much dead in the water, right?

As far as I know, it has never worked. In fact, trying to claim Sovereign Citizens "rights" when dealing with cops on the street seems to have made thing worse for those trying it on.

 

[gnome]

As far as I know, it has never worked. In fact, trying to claim Sovereign Citizens "rights" when dealing with cops on the street seems to have made thing worse for those trying it on.

It kind of lives in a fundamental misunderstanding of the practice of law. It isn't about contriving an interpretation of written legal code that will compel a courtroom to adhere to your interpretation. It's about understanding the behavior of legal systems, being able to anticipate what a courtroom will decide in various circumstances, and how best to advocate for your client's interests in light of that ability.

 

[plague311]

The QAnon shaman is now seeking a plea deal since he was found to have multiple mental health issues. Some are claimed to be a result of his incarceration in solitary confinement.

The man, Jacob Chansley, was diagnosed with schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, depression and anxiety by the federal Bureau of Prisons, defense lawyer Albert Watkins said in an interview with the publication.

Watkins says the Bureau of Prisons' diagnosis suggests that Chansley's mental state deteriorated while in solitary confinement at an Alexandria, Va., jail.

 

[Thermal]

The QAnon shaman is now seeking a plea deal since he was found to have multiple mental health issues. Some are claimed to be a result of his incarceration in solitary confinement.

Guy who seiged the Capitol with a racoon on his head: "My mental health issues were caused by you guys"

 

[plague311]

Guy who seiged the Capitol with a racoon on his head: "My mental health issues were caused by you guys"

Made even more ironic considering:

He added that Chansley's 2006 records from his time in the Navy reflect a similar diagnosis.

He's kind of kicking his own ass at this point.

 

[MRC_Hans]

As far as I know, it has never worked. In fact, trying to claim Sovereign Citizens "rights" when dealing with cops on the street seems to have made thing worse for those trying it on.

'' Sovereign citizen ' is an oxymoron. You can' t have both.

Hans

 

[JoeMorgue]

"They crazy ones don't count" is going to be the GOP's go to "No True Scotsman" to get out of dealing with the toxicity in their own ranks.

 

[Armitage72]

'' Sovereign citizen ' is an oxymoron. You can' t have both.

Most Sovereign Citizens seem to just drop the "oxy-" part.

 

[Resume]

'' Sovereign citizen ' is an oxymoron. You can' t have both.

Hans

An originator of the movement called himself that; one YTer calls himself that. It's their own fault.

 

[dudalb]

Capitol rioter goes on tirade during hearing today, asserts that he will represent himself and demands that the prosecutors extend him a plea offer.

My dude straight up not having a good time, live writeup here:

https://twitter.com/MacFarlaneNews/status/1417850206973005825

And no doubt we will get even more proof of the truth of that old Saying "A Person who is hie or her's own attorney has a fool for a client".

 

[Andy_Ross]

Jake Tapper to Sen. Pat Toomey on CNN "What does it say about your party that an investigation into a violent insurrection would reflect poorly upon it?"

Toomey replies: "I would argue the current POTUS's policies & the damage he's gonna be doing, that's what we should be debating in 2022."

This is the same Pat Toomey who pushed hard in 2012 and 2013 for the sham Benghazi investigation:

“I have long supported a congressional investigation and want to get answers to important questions,” he said back then.

 

[arthwollipot]

Guy who seiged the Capitol with a racoon on his head: "My mental health issues were caused by you guys"

Depression and anxiety are likely to have been brought on and/or exacerbated by an extended stay in solitary confinement, but bipolar and schizophrenia are more likely to be lifelong. I wonder if he had any prior diagnosis.

 

[Craig4]

Heard another rioter is pulling a sovereign citizen defense.

Dumb question: has anyone, anywhere in the US ever successfully used a sovcit defense?

This isn't a "long shot" attempt, it is pretty much dead in the water, right?

My impression of judges when I've been in courtrooms is that they don't respond well when told they don't have any authority over someone.