Not vaccinated=selfish & irresponsible?

[cullennz]

We don't know anything with certainty. But my credence in the view that the risks from the approved vaccines are extremely low is very high, and it should be.

I agree and as I said will take it if ever eligible here, but am just saying those that don't have a bit of a point. (provided they have looked as much as me. The rest are idiots.

 

[Roboramma]

I agree and as I said will take it if ever eligible here, but am just saying those that don't have a bit of a point. (provided they have looked as much as me. The rest are idiots.

I disagree.

When it comes to things understanding the world, we should be doing a Bayesian analysis of the risks we face. These should also be put in context, for instance the risk of an action should be compared to other possible actions, including inaction.

With respect to the vaccines, the risk of being vaccinated under such an analysis is extremely low. Much lower than the risks faced from not being vaccinated.

As such, the answer is extremely clear: there's no merit to the idea of not being vaccinated.

I realize that you're not trying to promote that view, but even suggesting that there's some merit to it "they have a point", isn't accurate. There really isn't any merit to that view.

 

[Belz...]

https://ftp.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/vaccine-development-testing-and-regulation

You said trials. Now you're switching to development. Keep it straight.

And you don't know there aren't side effects.

You also don't know if there's a teacup orbitting Neptune.

But you're wrong. Yes I do. This vaccine has been on the rollout since early this year. Millions are vaccinated. We KNOW what the possible effects are. And before you start yapping about long-term effects, you'd have to show that any actually exists, anywhere. You know, like we usually do here.

 

[cullennz]

You said trials. Now you're switching to development. Keep it straight.



You also don't know if there's a teacup orbitting Neptune. But you're wrong. Yes I do. This vaccine has been on the rollout since early this year. Millions are vaccinated. We KNOW what the possible effects are. And before you start yapping about long-term effects, you'd have to show that any actually exists, anywhere. You know, like we usually do here.

No **** that is the point

 

[cullennz]

I disagree.

When it comes to things understanding the world, we should be doing a Bayesian analysis of the risks we face. These should also be put in context, for instance the risk of an action should be compared to other possible actions, including inaction.

With respect to the vaccines, the risk of being vaccinated under such an analysis is extremely low. Much lower than the risks faced from not being vaccinated.

As such, the answer is extremely clear: there's no merit to the idea of not being vaccinated.

I realize that you're not trying to promote that view, but even suggesting that there's some merit to it "they have a point", isn't accurate. There really isn't any merit to that view.

I agree as well there probably isn't and it is probably fine, but I am just personally a bit less inclined to paint everyone who doesnt as selfish or the bad guys type thing.

 

[dirtywick]

Is your post addressed to me?! If that is the case, you have no idea what you are talking about.
If it isn't, please include a link to the post you are addressing the next time.

By the way, what exactly is "the load" that "enough of us out there" are "willing to carry"? Getting vaccinated?!
To the vast majority "of us out there", getting the vaccine was a relief, not an unselfish sacrifice.

No, it's not directed at you, if it was I would have quoted you like you suggested. It's my thoughts on the topic.

You call it a relief, I call it a necessary inconvenience.

Take what risks?! The risks of getting vaccinated are nothing in comparison to the risks of getting Covid-19 - even for young and healthy people.

Whatever risks, real or imagined, these people who refuse to get the vaccine are afraid of that they're willing to let everyone else take on their behalf. I don't respect that attitude at all.

 

[cullennz]

Whatever risks, real or imagined, these people who refuse to get the vaccine are afraid of that they're willing to let everyone else take on their behalf. I don't respect that attitude at all.

Tad bollocks tbf. You are vaccinated presumably

 

[Belz...]

No **** that is the point

Yeah that's why we should be very careful about going to Neptune, in case we collide with that teacup that we don't know about.

 

[cullennz]

Yeah that's why we should be very careful about going to Neptune, in case we collide with that teacup that we don't know about.

You equate covid to going to neptune?
Do you know I have already been reported after a 4 week ban for being of topic on a post about the topic?

Personally think I have never reported anyone. And won'y with you. Mainly because I am not a complete idiot. And like your postsA.


Any way. Covid bad. but would prefer it over cancer

 

[Belz...]

You equate covid to going to neptune?

Can you follow the logic? Not knowing whether X exists is not a reason to assume that it does or that there's a real risk of it. You should know this by now. This is basic stuff.

Do you know I have already been reported after a 4 week ban for being of topic on a post about the topic?

My point isn't off-topic, cullennz, but the above management comment is.

 

[dirtywick]

Tad bollocks tbf. You are vaccinated presumably

Well if you want respect then do your part. Simple stuff to me.

 

[cullennz]

Can you follow the logic? Not knowing whether X exists is not a reason to assume that it does or that there's a real risk of it. You should know this by now. This is basic stuff.



My point isn't off-topic, cullennz, but the above management comment is.

Think you need to look at the average dudes/dudettes point of view tbh, waving a a needle in front of yhem and saying hey this is great aint goingto work with everyone. The only difference beteen yu and me is I can see their probable reasons

 

[angrysoba]

Any way. Covid bad. but would prefer it over cancer

But Cullennz, we don't know the looooong term effects of Covid. Maybe after having mild Covid, your arms might fall off 5 years down the road. Or your legs. Or your willy!

NOBODY KNOOOOOOWS!!!

See how that perfectly matches your "Nobody knowsism" about vaccines?

The argument is silly and is pretty much only put forward by people promoting vaccine hestitancy.

People like Bret Weinstein and other cranks.

 

[cullennz]

But Cullennz, we don't know the looooong term effects of Covid. Maybe after having mild Covid, your arms might fall off 5 years down the road. Or your legs. Or your willy!

NOBODY KNOOOOOOWS!!!

See how that perfectly matches your "Nobody knowsism" about vaccines?

The argument is silly and is pretty much only put forward by people promoting vaccine hestitancy.

People like Bret Weinstein and other cranks.

I can kind of get your view from the immature posts.

I even get you thimk I am ant-vax when I am not.

All good. Was just trying to view it from all scenarios. You obviously can't. All good,

 

[angrysoba]

I can kind of get your view from the immature posts.

I even get you thimk I am ant-vax when I am not.

All good. Was just trying to view it from all scenarios. You obviously can't. All good,

Again, there is too much here that open to very uncharitable interpretation.

I obviously cannot what? I cannot view it from the point of view of people who say the vaccines have not had long enough?

I disagree.

Whereas it could be argued in the case of Sputnik V that it was out the door before the Phase III trials were up, from what I understand there is no scientific reason for arguing that the vaccines were rushed.

But most countries in the world have their own public health bodies and they have authorised the use of vaccines according to their own standards.

Why would they all do this unless there was a reasonable assumption of safety based on solid science? Is there some kind of conspiracy going on here?

Or, could it be that they brought them out to stamp out a pandemic that was killing millions around the world?

What makes you think that the vaccines came out too quickly? Do you have any authorities on this arguing the case? Or are you just trusting your gut on this?

Besides, you are lucky in that despite all the scorn you pile on Adern, she made the decision that allows you not to have to worry about Covid-19 for now and to not even need to care too much about getting a vaccine. I would think you might want to show more gratitude to Adern but for some unfathomable reason she is a bit of a hate figure among a certain group of people.

 

[Belz...]

Think you need to look at the average dudes/dudettes point of view tbh, waving a a needle in front of yhem and saying hey this is great aint goingto work with everyone. The only difference beteen yu and me is I can see their probable reasons

So now you've stooped to irrationality as a reason to avoid the vaccine.

Just admit that there are no rational fears of this thing and it'll all be over.

 

[Belz...]

I can kind of get your view from the immature posts.

There are, actually, real long-term effects and disabilities from getting COVID19.

 

[cullennz]

So now you've stooped to irrationality as a reason to avoid the vaccine.

Just admit that there are no rational fears of this thing and it'll all be over.

Edited by Agatha: 

Edited to remove a breach of rule 0 and rule 10

I will have the thing whener available, which knowing Ardern will probably be avout 2025.

I am just saying again and again I can get why peoplr might be hesitant given the rush. Not acually sure why this is such a hard concept to grasptbh.

If thee are spelling things there sorry aem blag bklah

 

[cullennz]

Sorry. Ignore that. Even I could't read it

Apologies

 

[angrysoba]

Edited by Agatha: 

Edited to match quoted post

I will have the thing whener available, which knowing Ardern will probably be avout 2025.
I am just saying again and again I can get why peoplr might be hesitant given the rush. Not acually sure why this is such a hard concept to grasptbh.

If thee are spelling things there sorry aem blag bklah

So again, complaints that Adern is not rushing you the vaccines while also criticizing the rush.

You seem to want it both ways.