Not vaccinated=selfish & irresponsible?

[8enotto]

Limited to one nation with no exit and entry traffic it would be totally effective to vaccinate and it's done.

The world unfortunately is much larger than just the US and there are places every disease still incubates awaiting a population not immune to them.

Good thought to shame those you see as causing the problem to continue. But as long as travel between nations is allowed, still not totally effective.

 

[Hercules56]

"COVID-19" is a mass psychosis that shows how deeply degenerated and corrupted the "Western" society is. If you look at even the official numbers with a focus on how they are created, it is clear since at least May 2020 that there is no killer virus around. All the social pressure and nudging will not get me to insert an experimental pharma cartel toxin into my body which has a healthy immune system.

Bugger off.

Ok, well then you should be prevented from entering any government building, mass transit, school, hospital, doctor's office.

Don't like it? Too bad, public safety comes first. Its why we ban guns from sensitive areas.

 

[sir drinks-a-lot]

So you're saying we should not get vaccinated, so more people will become infected and it will mutate into a less transmittable/less deadly variant?

If that's what you believe, I think you're being irrational and not following the science.

As for myself, I'll stick with reason and science. Thanks for asking.

 

[Hercules56]

Limited to one nation with no exit and entry traffic it would be totally effective to vaccinate and it's done.

The world unfortunately is much larger than just the US and there are places every disease still incubates awaiting a population not immune to them.

Good thought to shame those you see as causing the problem to continue but as long as travel between nations is allowed, still not totally effective.

Just trying to get people to think beyond their own shoes. Society is about working together.

 

[dudalb]

I think he is right that it won’t necessarily become worse. But vaccination is certainly likely to reduce that risk any further.

Unfortunately the right-wing particularly in the US has decided to instigate a program of misinformation and disinformation about vaccines and are now actively promoting vaccine refusal. Tucker Carlson, for example, is one of the absolute worst and he has been parading a long cast of cranks and political degenerates on his program.

I am pretty sure that many Republicans literally want more people to die of Covid so that they can blame Biden and one sure fire way of making more people did is to scare people into not getting vaccinated or to play up some idiotic version of libertarianism.

And the Anitvax hysteria is now about ALL vaccines, not just the Covid vaccine.
Let's bring back Polio and Smallpox. Nice going, GOP.

 

[Hercules56]

If that's what you believe, I think you're being irrational and not following the science.

What's irrational about my comments? Funny how you guys always resort to attacks when backed up against a wall of facts.

Delta variant proves what can happen when societies don't get vaccinated.

Nothing "irrational" about that conclusion, bub.

 

[dudalb]

Ok, well then you should be prevented from entering any government building, mass transit, school, hospital, doctor's office.

Don't like it? Too bad, public safety comes first. Its why we ban guns from sensitive areas.

I would not be against some judicious public shaming for those who delibertly don't get vaccinates.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Ok, well then you should be prevented from entering any government building, mass transit, school, hospital, doctor's office.

Don't like it? Too bad, public safety comes first. Its why we ban guns from sensitive areas.

What I don't like are your fascist fantasies. Luckily enough, they have no connection to reality.

 

[sir drinks-a-lot]

What's irrational about my comments? Funny how you guys always resort to attacks when backed up against a wall of facts.

I'm the one who just provided the wall of facts. If you agree that science deals in facts.

You drew an irrational conclusion based on the facts and tried to attribute it to me. But as I said, it's all science and reason for me. You can keep your irrational conclusion for yourself!

 

[dudalb]

What I don't like are your fascist fantasies. Luckily enough, they have no connection to reality.

God Another Irony Meter shot to hell, given what CE preaches.

 

[sir drinks-a-lot]

"COVID-19" is a mass psychosis that shows how deeply degenerated and corrupted the "Western" society is. If you look at even the official numbers with a focus on how they are created, it is clear since at least May 2020 that there is no killer virus around. All the social pressure and nudging will not get me to insert an experimental pharma cartel toxin into my body which has a healthy immune system.

Do you believe there has ever been a virus that is fatal to humans?

 

[dudalb]

I'm the one who just provided the wall of facts. If you agree that science deals in facts.

You drew an irrational conclusion based on the facts and tried to attribute it to me. But as I said, it's all science and reason for me. You can keep your irrational conclusion for yourself!

You would not know s scientific fact if it kicked you in the face.
ANd the ANit Vax campagin has spread to all vaccines. If it gains steam,look for Polio to make a comeback.

 

[d4m10n]

That being the case, and more than 600,000 people dead in the USA, is it a selfish and irresponsible act to NOT be vaccinated if you have no health issue preventing vaccination?

Those who know vaccines work and expect to benefit from herd immunity as a free rider are clearly being selfish.

Those who don't know vaccines are safe and effective are being irresponsible in failing to fulfill basic epistemic duties to themselves and those around them.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Do you believe there has ever been a virus that is fatal to humans?

Had you asked me this before the plandemic I would have said "of course", although I'm a person that hasn't seen "a doctor" since decades. Now, I'm not so sure anymore since the BS that is sold to us is so thick. Maybe people like Stefan Lanka are right. I don't care very much though, at least as long as you leave my body alone. I'll be fine.

 

[sir drinks-a-lot]

You would not know s scientific fact if it kicked you in the face.
ANd the ANit Vax campagin has spread to all vaccines. If it gains steam,look for Polio to make a comeback.

I had to laugh when I noticed that you actually edited this post. I can't imagine what it looked like before you touched it up.

Normally, I'd suggest spellcheck - but I think it's the least of your worries.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Are you claiming Covid doesn't exist?

 

[kookbreaker]

I had to laugh when I noticed that you actually edited this post. I can't imagine what it looked like before you touched it up.

Normally, I'd suggest spellcheck - but I think it's the least of your worries.

I know you’re pathetically desperate for those “liberal tears” you want to drink, but I doubt you are getting any here.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Are you claiming Covid doesn't exist?

No, I'm not. If you remember the good old 9/11 days you might remember the nice label of "No-Claimer" I've earned. I'm mentioning that there are far more knowledgeable people than me that have fundamental issues with the virus theory. And I can claim with absolute certainty, like anybody who looked at the official data, that there is no killer virus around that justifies in any way, shape or form the "restrictions" to the basic rights we thought our "Western" society is build upon. Cumulating in some fascist fantasies that want me closed out from open society because I refuse to take some experimental substance from the pharma cartel.

 

[bruto]

I agree.

I disagree because although libertarian ideas have some lure, in this case those who refuse vaccination do not simply become ill themselves, but become hosts and spreaders of new variants, which, I'm told, would be far harder to occur if everyone were already vaccinated, and to some extent that even extends to variants that vaccination does not address as well.

I am always torn by libertarian ideas, because there's a rogue part of me that likes the idea of doing whatever you want. But I think in certain matters of public policy it falls down, and the only way to reconcile it would be some variant of segregation. Not that of location, but of services. So, for example, if you opt not to be vaccinated, you must sign a document promising never to seek it. No chances after chances after chances. If you get Covid, tough luck. If you object to compulsory insurance, then you sign a document guaranteeing that you will never seek financial aid in a case that insurance would cover, and so forth. If you hit a pedestrian and get sued, tough luck. No "uninsured motorist" coverage, no sympathy, pay up, and if you want to paint libertarian slogans on the cardboard box you live in, fine.

OK, I'm being pretty facetious and very impractical and very unforgiving, but you get the idea. Even solipsists are social animals even if they dispute the fact.

 

[mgidm86]

Forget it not worth it. ignored.