Cont: Trump’s Coup - Part 2

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Your feeling is wrong. Your source ...shock!... is misrepresenting the actual situation. Pelosi is not attempting to overturn anything.



Notice it is the losing candidate who is demanding a recount, not Pelosi.




Her complete comment was :



Notice she is leaving it up to the House Administration Committee where Hart took her complaint.



Yes...it's just who they are.

Pelosi chose to seat Miller-Meeks despite the fact that the seat could have been left open. But, yeah...she's trying to overturn the election.:rolleyes:

Oh, by the way, I need actual examples of Dems trying to overturn a legitimate election by claiming fraud because you haven't yet.

This was an election that had a difference of 8 votes. That's not the same as a difference of 12000 votes.

And even then, as you note, Pelosi has "tried to overturn" anything.
 
I think you mean "Pelosi has NOT 'tried to overturn' anything."

Yeah, she wanted to.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...on-push-to-overturn-iowa-election/ar-BB1eQLIS

Notice where democrat Dean Phillips says "overturning it (the election) in the HOUSE would be even more painful for America".

How can the HOUSE try to overturn an election if Pelosi wasn't in favor or leading the charge. And this is MSN reporting so you can't whine about Fox news bias.

Here's more:

https://americanlookout.com/nancy-p...-iowa-house-race-and-unseat-republican-video/

More: https://americanlookout.com/nancy-p...-iowa-house-race-and-unseat-republican-video/

"House democrats rejects Pelosi push tp overturn Iowa election"

Oh and stacyhs, this was a state certified election. Basically Pelosi was trying to overturn a certified election. The same thing democrats accused Trump of doing.

You are dead wrong on this issue. (Or being untruthful)

One more for good measure: https://www.nrcc.org/2021/03/22/pelosi-funding-partisan-effort-to-overturn-certified-election/

"Pelosi funding partisan effort to overturn certified election"

The Sun News in the UK calls Pelosi a hypocrite. :)

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14458106/pelosi-hypocrite-iowa-republican-win-mace/
 
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Firstly, The Sun isn't a newspaper, it's a Murdoch-owned tabloid and anything printed in it should be viewed in that light.

Secondly it's reporting that Nancy Mace called Pelosi a hypocrite rather than offering an opinion itself. It's interesting that the word was enclosed in scare quotes which typically means that the publication wants to make it clear that the words in question are just the opinion of the quoted individual.
 
Yeah, she wanted to.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...on-push-to-overturn-iowa-election/ar-BB1eQLIS

Notice where democrat Dean Phillips says "overturning it (the election) in the HOUSE would be even more painful for America".

How can the HOUSE try to overturn an election if Pelosi wasn't in favor or leading the charge. And this is MSN reporting so you can't whine about Fox news bias.

First of all, that is not MSN's reporting: it's an article from the Washington Examiner which is a far right publication noted for its conservative bias.
Overall, we rate the Washington Examiner Right Biased based on editorial positions that almost exclusively favor the right and Mixed for factual reporting due to several failed fact checks.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/washington-examiner/

Secondly, it's the WA Examiner that claims the Dems are pushing the investigation when it was Hart who filed with the Committee. That phrasing is not unintentional.

On Monday, Minnesota Rep. Dean Phillips became the first congressional Democrat to voice firm opposition to the push to have the House Administration Committee investigate the election and decide whether freshman Republican Rep. Mariannette Miller-Meeks did indeed win the election.

Third, this is the entirety of Dean Phillips' statement:

“Losing a House election by six votes is painful for Democrats. But overturning it in the House would be even more painful for America. Just because a majority can, does not mean a majority should," Phillips said in a tweet
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Notice he says the HOUSE shouldn't overturn the election where it would have gone for a majority vote if the Committee had found in Hart's favor. You know...where the entire HOUSE votes, including Republicans.

As I previously explained to you but which, apparently, you failed to comprehend, it was Rita Hart herself who contested the election results and filed her challenge with the House Adm. Committee, not Pelosi. And, as I also explained to you, Pelosi could have refused to seat Miller-Meeks until the matter was settled but she chose to seat her. That hardly sounds like she was out to overturn the election which Hart, not Pelosi, was contesting.

And, unlike Trump, Hart made no allegations of cheating or rigging the election. Her complaint was that 22 ballots were "legally cast but unlawfully excluded".


Those are the same links. American Lookout is another far right rag which uses the words "steal" and "outright theft" to describe a legal process to contest an election won by 6 votes. They also write: "This is what they used to call a “threat to democracy.”
But everything is different when THEY do it."

The stunning hypocrisy of that is mind boggling but I bet you can't see that, can you?

MediaBias has this to say about American Lookout which it rates as "extreme bias":

Some of the sources they link to are the Mixed factual Daily Caller, the Questionable Breitbart, RedState, and Townhall. Wording denigrates Democrats such as this Democrats Panic As Suburban Vote Begins Slipping Away From Joe Biden, while other stories glorify Republican President Trump such as this President Trump Nominated For Nobel Peace Prize AGAIN For Helping Broker Deal Between Kosovo And Serbia. In general, all stories favor the right and mostly denigrate the left while consistently using very poor sources who frequently fail fact checks.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/american-lookout/


"House democrats rejects Pelosi push tp overturn Iowa election"

Oh and stacyhs, this was a state certified election. Basically Pelosi was trying to overturn a certified election.

Nope. Rita Hart was contesting the election results and followed correct procedure by filing her request for review with the House Administration Committee. Pelosi said she would respect the findings of the Committee and seated Miller-Meeks.

The same thing democrats accused Trump of doing.

ACCUSED him of doing? That is exactly what he has been doing since last November when he lost the election and has been declaring himself the victim of a 'rigged and stolen' election, tried to get Pence not to allow the vote to certify the election and encouraged a mob to 'stop the steal' and is STILL whining trying to get the election overturned. Yeah....he's been accused of doing exactly what he's doing.

You are dead wrong on this issue. (Or being untruthful)

Nope. Stop reading right wing crap sites. As for being "untruthful" quote one thing I've said that you claim is false and then prove it was false.


The DNCC paying for a lawyer to represent a Democrat who is legally contesting an election is just so outrageous!! :rolleyes:

From you link: " Only this time, Republicans might not have much credibility on this issue — especially those who objected to the Electoral College results, at Trump’s request.

"Pelosi funding partisan effort to overturn certified election"

The Sun News in the UK calls Pelosi a hypocrite. :)

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14458106/pelosi-hypocrite-iowa-republican-win-mace/

The Sun? THE SUN?! Wow, you really are scraping the bottom of the barrel, aren't ya?

But to sum this all up, the Dems didn't vote to overturn the election, did they? Hart withdrew her challenge: "After many conversations with people I trust about the future of this contest, I have made the decision to withdraw my contest before the House Committee on Administration.” And just who do you think those conversations were with? HUH?

Maybe Trump should take a lesson from that instead of continuing to rip this country apart with his insane claims of a stolen election that his idiot followers have swallowed whole.
 
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Firstly, The Sun isn't a newspaper, it's a Murdoch-owned tabloid and anything printed in it should be viewed in that light.

Secondly it's reporting that Nancy Mace called Pelosi a hypocrite rather than offering an opinion itself. It's interesting that the word was enclosed in scare quotes which typically means that the publication wants to make it clear that the words in question are just the opinion of the quoted individual.

This is what Mace said:
The hypocrisy here, you see Nancy Pelosi saying that there’s no voter fraud that exists, yet there was voter fraud so we’ve got to overturn the results of this election and I hate politics.

"I’m in it because I hate it, and I hate it because of the hypocrisy and that’s what we’re seeing today...

Pelosi never said there was any voter fraud in this case and neither did Hart:

In her filing, Hart argues that 11 ballots weren't counted because of mistakes by poll workers, including nine ballots discovered during the recount in Marion County and two curbside votes that weren't put into a tabulation machine in Scott County.

The petition, too, outlines 11 other ballots Hart's attorneys say were wrongly excluded for a variety of reasons. Those included absentee ballots rejected because secrecy envelopes were not sealed properly. One envelope was ripped; another was signed but not in the right spot. Two voters in Des Moines and Wapello counties say their absentee ballots were rejected despite being delivered by a state deadline because they were placed in drop boxes in Linn County, according to the petition.
https://www.thegazette.com/governme...king-us-house-to-review-2nd-district-results/

But Mace was right about one thing: the hypocrisy is staggering and hers is a shining example.
 
Of course the question is why the hell are the GOPers so damn afraid of an offical investition into 1/6?
Hey. I think I will refer to the insurrection that way just to save typing...
 
Of course the question is why the hell are the GOPers so damn afraid of an offical investition into 1/6?Hey. I think I will refer to the insurrection that way just to save typing...

Because they're afraid of the answers which they already know.

It's like when people are afraid of an official diagnosis of cancer so they don't go to the doctor when they're experiencing every single symptom. As long as I'm not officially told I've got cancer, I can pretend I don't.
 
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Of course the question is why the hell are the GOPers so damn afraid of an offical investition into 1/6?
Hey. I think I will refer to the insurrection that way just to save typing...


I like "insurrection" better. Enough Trumpers are trying to call it something else without us doing it. :) Shorten it to coup maybe?
 
Of course the question is why the hell are the GOPers so damn afraid of an offical investition into 1/6? ...
And because they know it will be a public hearing that will have a significant impact on the 2022 elections.

The stupid thing on the GOP's part is, dragging out the start of it will only make the hearings go on closer to the midterm election.
 
From the new book "I Alone Can Fix This":

The top US military officer, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Gen. Mark Milley, was so shaken that then-President Donald Trump and his allies might attempt a coup or take other dangerous or illegal measures after the November election that Milley and other top officials informally planned for different ways to stop Trump, according to excerpts of an upcoming book obtained by CNN.

The book, from Pulitzer Prize-winning Washington Post reporters Carol Leonnig and Philip Rucker, describes how Milley and the other Joint Chiefs discussed a plan to resign, one-by-one, rather than carry out orders from Trump that they considered to be illegal, dangerous or ill-advised.

"It was a kind of Saturday Night Massacre in reverse," Leonnig and Rucker write.
The book, "I Alone Can Fix It," scheduled to be released next Tuesday, chronicles Trump's final year as president, with a behind-the-scenes look at how senior administration officials and Trump's inner circle navigated his increasingly unhinged behavior after losing the 2020 election. The authors interviewed Trump for more than two hours.

The authors explain Milley's growing concerns that personnel moves that put Trump acolytes in positions of power at the Pentagon after the November 2020 election, including the firing of Defense Secretary Mark Esper and the resignation of Attorney General William Barr, were the sign of something sinister to come.

Milley spoke to friends, lawmakers and colleagues about the threat of a coup, and the Joint Chiefs chairman felt he had to be "on guard" for what might come.
"They may try, but they're not going to f**king succeed," Milley told his deputies, according to the authors. "You can't do this without the military. You can't do this without the CIA and the FBI. We're the guys with the guns."

In the days leading up to January 6, Leonnig and Rucker write, Milley was worried about Trump's call to action. "Milley told his staff that he believed Trump was stoking unrest, possibly in hopes of an excuse to invoke the Insurrection Act and call out the military."
Milley viewed Trump as "the classic authoritarian leader with nothing to lose," the authors write, and he saw parallels between Adolf Hitler's rhetoric as a victim and savior and Trump's false claims of election fraud.


"This is a Reichstag moment," Milley told aides, according to the book. "The gospel of the Führer."

On Angela Merkel:

"That bword Merkel."
"I know the fword krauts."
"I was raised by the biggest kraut of them all."
 
And because they know it will be a public hearing that will have a significant impact on the 2022 elections.

The stupid thing on the GOP's part is, dragging out the start of it will only make the hearings go on closer to the midterm election.
It's called a Rhetorical Question.....
 
From the new book "I Alone Can Fix This":





On Angela Merkel:

Got it on preorder on my Kindle.
I wonder if the book will confirm the story that Chief Of The Joint CHiefs of Staff..basically the highest ranking Uniformed officier...threatened to resign when he heard that Trump wanted to declare martial law in several cities during the Floyd disturbances a year ago, and send in regular Army troops, basically displacing civilian rule of those cities with a Trump dictatorship. This would have been illegal under the Posse Comiatatus act, which severely limits the use of US Army troops in enforcing civilian law.
 
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Trump didn't have the balls to go through with it.
I think he **** his pants when the mob went in to the Capitol and realised what the consequences were going to be if they got their hands on Pence or Pelosi.
He talks a big game but chickens out.
 
Got it on preorder on my Kindle.
I wonder if the book will confirm the story that Chief Of The Joint CHiefs of Staff..basically the highest ranking Uniformed officier...threatened to resign when he heard that Trump wanted to declare martial law in several cities during the Floyd disturbances a year ago, and send in regular Army troops, basically displacing civilian rule of those cities with a Trump dictatorship. This would have been illegal under the Posse Comiatatus act, which severely limits the use of US Army troops in enforcing civilian law.


Yes.
In the waning weeks of Donald Trump’s term, the country’s top military leader repeatedly worried about what the president might do to maintain power after losing reelection, comparing his rhetoric to Adolf Hitler’s during the rise of Nazi Germany and asking confidants whether a coup was forthcoming, according to a new book by two Washington Post reporters.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...26f5fe-e4ec-11eb-a41e-c8442c213fa8_story.html
 
Trump didn't have the balls to go through with it.
I think he **** his pants when the mob went in to the Capitol and realised what the consequences were going to be if they got their hands on Pence or Pelosi.
He talks a big game but chickens out.

he didn't have the brains NOT to go through with it, had there been more people around him telling him it would be okay.
 
During and after the election, a number of posters (me included) described Trump's actions as an attempted coup, and as a serious threat to US democracy. Some of us also characterized Trumpism as fascistic. Some of y'all thought this was reactionary. Nevermind the Trumpists among you -- I cede to your impermiability. I'm curious though what Skeptic Ginger, Thermal, and other sane posters think about General Milley's take on things.

Top US general warned of ‘Reichstag moment’ in Trump’s turbulent last days

Shortly before the deadly attack on the US Capitol on 6 January, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, Gen Mark Milley, told aides the US was facing a “Reichstag moment” because Donald Trump was preaching “the gospel of the Führer”
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These are the same people we fought in the second world War.
 
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