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Merged General Holocaust denial discussion Part IV

MarkCorrigan said:
5%-10% is a disturbingly high fringe.
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36% of Americans believe the US Government was behind 09/11.

https://www.researchgate.net/public..._Americans_suspect_9-11_government_conspiracy

13% of people in the US believe man has no affect on the climate. 5% of Americans say the climate isn't changing at all.

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...tbed-climate-change-denial-international-poll

A minimum of about 18% of Americans reject evolution

https://www.au.org/blogs/wall-of-se...-reject-evolution-the-answer-may-surprise-you

5% is a fringe.
 
So? Even if she was, and I have doubts about anything coming from the cess pit that is codoh, so what? That just means she was wrong about it.

You do realise that atheists are not only not a monumental bloc, but also that not all groups need to have figureheads like you Nazis do right?
 
Mondial said:
The well known atheist Madalyn Murray O'Hair was also skeptical of claims relating to the holocaust.
https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13898
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So what?
Her opinions in no way alter the facts; Hitler and the Nazis deliberately and intentionally caused the deaths of almost six million Jews, 1.8 million Poles, about 5.75 million Soviet civilians, about 500,000 Serbs, Slovenes and other Slaves, around a quarter-million physically and mentally disabled, a similar number of Roma along with thousands of Spanish Republicans, homosexuals, Jehovah's Witnesses, Freemasons and Esperanto speakers.
 
Warp12 said:
Do you feel it is a good idea to criminalize Holocaust denial, generally?

If so, why?
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Well, I can't say I agree, but a good argument to be made would be that, since Holocaust denials is, almost absolutely always, linked to antisemitism, and that genocidal hatred of a group of individuals is not allowed...
 
catsmate said:
So what?
Her opinions in no way alter the facts; Hitler and the Nazis deliberately and intentionally caused the deaths of almost six million Jews, 1.8 million Poles, about 5.75 million Soviet civilians, about 500,000 Serbs, Slovenes and other Slaves, around a quarter-million physically and mentally disabled, a similar number of Roma along with thousands of Spanish Republicans, homosexuals, Jehovah's Witnesses, Freemasons and Esperanto speakers.
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...and there warmongering led to the deaths of over six million German military and civilians.
 
Belz... said:
Well, I can't say I agree, but a good argument to be made would be that, since Holocaust denials is, almost absolutely always, linked to antisemitism, and that genocidal hatred of a group of individuals is not allowed...
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Criminizling Holocaust Denial just allows them to play the Matyr For Free Speech Card..something I don't want to give them.
Better to let them spout their nonsense and rip them to shreds and riidcule them.
 
The Deniars are going to go crazy if the breaking story that Trump praised Hitler in several White House conversations proves accurate.
 
dudalb said:
Criminizling Holocaust Denial just allows them to play the Matyr For Free Speech Card..something I don't want to give them.
Better to let them spout their nonsense and rip them to shreds and riidcule them.
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Well, let's look at it objectively: are neo-nazis and anti-semites more active in Europe, where these kind of laws are in place in certain countries, or in the US, bastion of "freedom"?
 
It tends to be countries and people that have first hand experience of the Nazis that have laws against holocaust denial
 
Belz... said:
Imagine that.

But does anyone have any stats about this? I'd be interested to know if those laws are a benefit, or a burden.
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Here's a map of the countries that do have laws against Holocaust denial

[IMGw=640]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/Holocaust_Denial_Laws_.svg/1920px-Holocaust_Denial_Laws_.svg.png[/IMGw]
 
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gabeygoat said:
I think Belz is asking about Nazi/far right activity in countries in relationship do denial laws
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Yes, I know but many others have a better hand on that info. However, experience has shown that the map always comes up and is the answer to, 'How wide spread is this is this repression of freedom of speech'. One can get the impression from the Deniers that it's 'everywhere' and they often refuse to give any idea how limited its actual range is.
 
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