Today's Mass Shooting

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The Don said:
I agree, but for right-wing populists any attempt to rehabilitate is viewed as being soft on criminals and instead prisoners should be treated as harshly as possible regardless of the evidence showing how pointless this is.

It isn't about making society safer, it's about punishing "wrongdoers".
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As long as they are poor and/or dark skinned.

If they are white they deserve all the 'justice' they can afford. If they can't afford enough then they deserve to be treated gently while they are locked up.
 
Fort Worth, Texas


8 wounded during a shooting near a carwash after an Independence Day celebration and parade.

Majority black community, history of violence, "over-policing", etc. I'm guessing this wasn't on DHS's radar.




But Chicago

4 wounded in a drive-by shooting.
 
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Meadmaker said:
I was thinking about this. Bogative has "taken over" this thread in a very unique way. He has stayed relentlessly on topic, at least with his core message. His asides, e.g. his statements about the shooters not appearing to be Maga-related and such, are kind of off topic, but I think you started this thread as a way of calling attention to the fact that mass shootings in America are pretty much an every day occurrence. Bogative is really driving that home.

He's doing it in an offensive, but very effective, way.
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I've only read the last several pages, but why do you consider it offensive?

I think it's actually refreshing - to see someone actually looking at the actual, real world, common violence and steering the discussion a bit more towards that. Sure, one might notice that he's only posting incidents where the perpetrators are black, but that's what's needed - especially on this board and especially if we're ever going to really have a national discussion about it instead of pretending the situation is dramatically different from reality.
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
I've only read the last several pages, but why do you consider it offensive?

I think it's actually refreshing - to see someone actually looking at the actual, real world, common violence and steering the discussion a bit more towards that. Sure, one might notice that he's only posting incidents where the perpetrators are black, but that's what's needed - especially on this board and especially if we're ever going to really have a national discussion about it instead of pretending the situation is dramatically different from reality.
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Except he's not interested in a discussion. He's just posting to say 'hur hur, lookit the black thugs!'.
 
See my location? Black crime is sure no novelty around here, and nobody denies it. I don't think anybody on this forum denies it either.

But Detroit's long history (it started out as Louis XIV's personal property) has shown that suppressed and deprived populations commit crimes more than others. Belgians, Irish, Polish, Jews (Ever hear of the Purple Gang? Seriously heavy mutherz.) and now blacks do the majority of the dirty deeds.

When poverty increases, crime increases. When poverty lessens, fewer crimes are committed. 'Taint hard.

Bog? You up yet?
 
Swainsboro, Georgia

1 killed, 3 injured.

2:30 a.m. outside da club.

Details are limited, guessing this shooting is not going to get a lot of discussion from the mainstream media considering the results received when I searched "Swainsboro shooting."
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
I've only read the last several pages, but why do you consider it offensive?

I think it's actually refreshing - to see someone actually looking at the actual, real world, common violence and steering the discussion a bit more towards that. Sure, one might notice that he's only posting incidents where the perpetrators are black, but that's what's needed
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I'd like to offer a clarification. I generally, especially the last several weekends, post every single mass shooting. It's just that the overwhelming majority are committed by black perpetrators which makes it appear that only posting about shootings with black perpetrators.

The New York Times investigated mass shootings from GVA.org in 2015 and found that three fourths of mass shootings were committed by blacks.



Shalamar said:
Except he's not interested in a discussion. He's just posting to say 'hur hur, lookit the black thugs!'.
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As a counter to the normal "der der lookit der wipepo and der gunz culture."

I'm sorry you're upset that I'm not bothered in the least about being called "racist" because I got tired of the usual bull **** and started clapping back. I recommend getting used to it because I'm not the only one.



sackett said:
When poverty increases, crime increases. When poverty lessens, fewer crimes are committed. 'Taint hard.
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There are twice as many whites living in poverty compared to blacks, you're going to need a better excuse.
 
mgidm86 said:
I think that is one of his points. Not picking a side really, but this thread is titled "Today's Mass Shooting". I don't think his point is that black people are to blame for most of them, just that the white shooters get most of the major press.
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No, that IS his point, as he explicitly states just a few posts later. "Let me just give a bunch of examples that have a single unifying characteristic and pretend that's conicidence" is a very old rhetorical strategy.
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
I've only read the last several pages, but why do you consider it offensive?
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I find his asides about MAGA or DVE or whatever to be offensive. It doubles down on the "they're all black people" stuff, which is........problematic. I haven't seen any evidence from him that he actually cares about black people being killed, only the fact that there are hordes of black criminals out there.

From a purely logical perspective, there's also a straw man element to it. Nobody is arguing that MAGA, etc. are responsible. The white supremacists at issue are the big terrorist threat, but that's not the same thing as being the biggest violence threat, so his refutations ring a bit hollow.

However, when it comes to violence and people shooting each other, he is driving home the message that mass kill spree shootings and domestic terrorism are very small compared to the large number of killings every week. The type of gun violence he is pointing out really is the most prevalent sort, and the biggest threat to ordinary Americans.


Pssst......I just implied that black people are ordinary Americans. I did that on purpose.
 
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Cincinnati, Ohio


2 dead, 3 injured when shots are fired at a riverfront park during Independence Day celebrations.

Peterson Mingo, a community advocate with the Cincinnati Police got to the scene soon after the shooting happened.

Given how frequent gun violence has been in the city, Mingo and the God Squad are pushing for more mental healthcare for the communities affected. He said the trauma can compound and contribute to the violence.
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400-500 teenagers were at Smale Park at the time of the incident, according to Colonel Lisa Davis.

Officers were clearing out the park around 10:45 p.m. when they heard shots and saw people running.
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I'm pretty sure "teenagers" wasn't on the FBI's list of DVEs, maybe they should reassess that list..
 
Bogative said:
2 dead, 3 injured when shots are fired at a riverfront park during Independence Day celebrations.
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Nothing more American than a shootout.
It's an American tradition, very appropriate for the 4th of July.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Nothing more American than a shootout.
It's an American tradition, very appropriate for the 4th of July.
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Celebrating the right to bear arms.




(Aside: "bear arms" does not actually mean "carry weapons", but that's just some semantic quibbling, right?)
 
Neal Boortz said it best when he sid massacres happen because law abiding citizens obey the law and have no access to a firearm. Bad guys ignore the law and take a gun there and shoot the unarmed law abiding citizens. If the victims could fight back maybe these massacres would stop.
 
Cainkane1 said:
Neal Boortz said it best when he sid massacres happen because law abiding citizens obey the law and have no access to a firearm. Bad guys ignore the law and take a gun there and shoot the unarmed law abiding citizens. If the victims could fight back maybe these massacres would stop.
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Wouldn't it be really neat if some kind of objective data were available to test this hypothesis?

ETA: every firearm that ends up "on the street" began with an (ostensibly) legal sale to a qualified owner. A lot of weapons featured in high-profile shootings never wandered far from the legal owner.
 
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Many of these gang shooting victims would be armed but they get shot before they can defend themselves, or have no opportunity to do anything such as a drive-by shooting.

It's fairly common for gang members to be armed and most of these mass shootings are gangs shooting at rival gangs.
 
Meadmaker said:
I find his asides about MAGA or DVE or whatever to be offensive. It doubles down on the "they're all black people" stuff, which is........problematic.
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A closer look at the shootings or the attendant statistics shows that they are in fact disproportionately black people. How can facts be problematic in the sense you're suggesting. Certainly, we know that a real life racist, white supremacist would highlight these facts, but they're facts nonetheless.

From a purely logical perspective, there's also a straw man element to it. Nobody is arguing that MAGA, etc. are responsible. The white supremacists at issue are the big terrorist threat, but that's not the same thing as being the biggest violence threat, so his refutations ring a bit hollow.
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No straw man at all. Many are arguing that MAGA, etc. are responsible. They're also arguing that black people are being hunted (not by other black people, but by white racist cops), and that there is open season on black people (again, not by black people, but by white racists) and that black people are living in constant fear (nothing to do with other black people, but...wait for it...racist white people). This is the fantasy narrative and it's being presented all the time, and everywhere. Did you miss out in BLM, or the Super Bowl, or a recent Nike ad?

Did you see in the other thread where I mentioned Michelle Obama's comments that black people still "live in fear" when walking their dogs or going grocery shopping? She even said that she fears for her children every time they get in their car. Care to hazard a guess on who or what might be the source of her alleged fears? When I brought this up in another thread, I was promptly told that "everyone" could "see through my dog whistles", thereby adding yet another white racist to the mix. One more comment like that, and I'll be lumped in with Jussie Smollet's attackers and the Covington kid, all of which were wearing MAGA hats.

So yeah, not a straw man at all. We're in the middle of a moral panic and public delusion and Bogative is one of the few that's not buying what is being sold.
 
But But Chicago


2 killed, 4 wounded during a drive-by shooting including a 12-year-old and a 13-year-old (no word on gang affiliation with the two youngsters).

CHICAGO -- Two people were killed and at least four were wounded, including a 12-year-old girl and a 13-year-old boy, in a shooting early Monday in Washington Park on the South Side.

At least five children have been shot in Chicago since late Sunday afternoon.
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Someone mentioned Neal Boortz earlier. He labeled this kind of behavior in the black community the "culture of violence", Glenn Loury calls it the "culture of criminality", I say there are both correct.
 
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