New York City Elections

Norman Alexander said:
Why does this type of election need to take "weeks" to count? We have this here in Australia, and it can be done in hours, in time for trends to be on the evening news.
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I don't know how litigious Australia is, but here in Freedomland, everything needs a healthy dose of CYA. Also, this is the first time it is being run in NYC. For some odd reason, they couldn't just go off of what Maine has already done.
 
mumblethrax said:
Probably had more to do with him putting his foot in his mouth three times a day.
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Yes, that also. But then, that might have added to a "not ready for the jpb' image.
I honestly think that playing the "I am an outsider who never held a responsible position in Government and therfore I deserve a top spot" card is going to be very hard after Trump.
 
Donal said:
I don't know how litigious Australia is, but here in Freedomland, everything needs a healthy dose of CYA.
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OK. So what's the likely problem? Our voting is on paper ballots counted by hand. Ancient and slow technology. We also have official scrutineers, observers in the USA, I think, hanging on every vote. And yet it can be done officially and accurately in hours. Have they not run training and practices beforehand for the poll workers?

Also, this is the first time it is being run in NYC. For some odd reason, they couldn't just go off of what Maine has already done.
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What do they do in Maine?
 
Norman Alexander said:
Why does this type of election need to take "weeks" to count? We have this here in Australia, and it can be done in hours, in time for trends to be on the evening news.
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Simply put, NYC’s elections board…well, they suck. They’ve sucked for a long time.

I wasn’t going to speak on this election, since NYC usually picks some goofball anyway, but there’s your answer.
 
The whole electiion process for NYC Mayor seems incredibly convuluted.
Bring back Tammany Hall.
 
Mumbles said:
Simply put, NYC’s elections board…well, they suck. They’ve sucked for a long time.

I wasn’t going to speak on this election, since NYC usually picks some goofball anyway, but there’s your answer.
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Let me get this right...

There's no permanent official body of some sort charged with overseeing NY state and city elections?
 
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dudalb said:
Given the Silwa thinks law enforcement should have the right to be judge, jury and executioner, I agree.
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Well, given that NYC was supposed to be part of Mega-City 1 by the end of this century he's only getting ahead of the curve there.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Paywalled for me.

But i take it someone said it was shambolic?
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Then, around 10:30 p.m., the board finally released a statement, explaining that it had failed to remove sample ballot images used to test its ranked-choice voting software. When the board ran the program, it counted “both test and election night results, producing approximately 135,000 additional records,” the statement said. The ranked-choice numbers, it said, would be tabulated again.
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Even after taking a week to release the preliminary ranked choice results, a giant error went undetected.

In general, the problem is that a) the way we run electoral boards/commissions/whatever in the US is stupid--we go for "bipartisan" rather than independent and b) in NYC in particular, the board of elections is a mess of political patronage and incompetence. Dudalb says "bring back Tammany Hall", but this is a direct consequence of Tammany Hall--critical jobs handed out as do-nothing favors to political supporters and relatives.

Hopefully this is a big enough scandal to finally clean house at the BoE. Maybe.
 
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Newest tactic by the Trumpers:Pointing at NYC's election problems and saying this smehow proves the November election was stolen.
 
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So Adams won in the end but it was closer than it seemed after the first round.

There was also apparently a snafu where pre-election test ballots were not purged from the system, resulting in the test ballots initially being included in the results. I think that has been rectified.

If you follow the link in the pinned tweet you can see how all 9 rounds of elimination went and how the vote totals changed each time. It took Adams until the final round to get over 50%.
 
mumblethrax said:
Even after taking a week to release the preliminary ranked choice results, a giant error went undetected.

In general, the problem is that a) the way we run electoral boards/commissions/whatever in the US is stupid--we go for "bipartisan" rather than independent and b) in NYC in particular, the board of elections is a mess of political patronage and incompetence. Dudalb says "bring back Tammany Hall", but this is a direct consequence of Tammany Hall--critical jobs handed out as do-nothing favors to political supporters and relatives.

Hopefully this is a big enough scandal to finally clean house at the BoE. Maybe.
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Yeah, that does indeed sound pretty shambolic. :)

I am surprised that an electoral commission is considered partisan, or even involved in any political party, in any way. Surely it should be a permanently employed group of independent professionals, who are fully trained in the business of running an election and tallying votes accurately according to the extant rules, and can demonstrate openly that it has been done so.
 
Norman Alexander said:
OK. So what's the likely problem?
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Machine politics and cronyism.

Our voting is on paper ballots counted by hand. Ancient and slow technology. We also have official scrutineers, observers in the USA, I think, hanging on every vote. And yet it can be done officially and accurately in hours. Have they not run training and practices beforehand for the poll workers?
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See above. There's little interest in changing how things are done since it will likely cost the entrenched powers time and energy to rig a new system in their favor. The irony is voters seemingly had no issue with Ranked Choice Voting itself and are just given more motivation to get rid of the old guard.

What do they do in Maine?
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A better job than NYC.
 
Norman Alexander said:
...which was what? Count the votes according to the rules? Like they did last year?
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They "found" 135,000 test ballots had been included somehow so those were supposedly subtracted and Adams' lead went from significant to slim after the requisite ranked choice number crunching. Now they need to add over 100k absentee ballots.
 
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