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Open socialist to be next Buffalo, NY mayor.

To save others the trouble of looking this up...

It's a pretty big city. Apparently running podunk South Bend was enough experience for Pete Buttigieg to be a serious presidential candidate, and Buffalo is much larger than that.

Buffalo has about two and a half times the population of South Bend.
 
Did you read it?

The intercept reports that this form, which conflates socialists with Neo Nazis and the Black Panthers as terrorist orgs similar to Al Qaeda, is still distributed as official US Navy training manuals.

There is nothing in the reporting to indicate that this conflation has been changed.
I guess you are right.
“It’s just ineffective training because whoever is directing the Navy anti-terror curriculum would rather vilify the left than actually protect anything,” said the military official, who is not authorized to speak publicly. “Despite the fact that the most prominent threat is domestic, right-wing terror.”
 
It's his problem now, goes with the gig.

The military leadership is part of the Biden administration. That's how the executive branch works.

Oh, come on, ST. Stop the BS. You implied that question in the training manual was a direct result of the Biden Admin. It's been there since 2019 which was under the Trump Admin. What next? More "Biden's got dementia" nonsense? Bernie lost. Get over it.
 
Any idea what the Mayor of Buffalo actually does? Usually the Mayor is an executive role, not a legislative role. Regardless of her beliefs or ideology, she may actually be pretty limited in what she can do about it. It could be that being a socialist and an abolitionist is pretty much irrelevant to her duties as mayor.

Sorry, the only thing I know about buffalo is that the American one is actually a bison.

Oh, and this. :blush:
 
I am not optmistic about the new Mayor though; a basic hostiltiy to private enterprise which I think is pretty much part and parcel of being an oopen socialits will not serve Buffalo well.


Socialists have been elected to the office of mayor in the US in the past and this has generally turned out well for the cities involved. Indeed, one of the USA's best mayors was a socialist. I'm surprised you're not familiar with him, as he's still a prominent political figure today. Here's a quick summary:

In 1981 Bernie Sanders was elected mayor of Burlington, Vermont. He won that first time by a very small margin, but in each of his 3 re-election campaigns he won by increasingly large margins -- because he did an excellent job and became increasingly popular for it.

As you may know, Vermont used to be an extremely red state. Prior to Sanders' time in office they had fairly consistently voted for Republicans for the house, the senate, and for the presidency. (They had only elected a Democrat to the house once, in 1958, and promptly voted him out in 1960. Patrick Leahy was the first and only Democrat they elected to the senate prior to Sanders mayoralty. And Vermont was one of the only 2 states which did not go for Roosevelt in 1944; prior to Sanders' time in office the only time Vermont had gone for a Democrat was Lyndon Johnson's 1964 landslide win over Goldwater.)

Since Sanders began holding office -- first as mayor of Vermont's largest city, then as their house member, and then as one of their 2 senators -- Vermont has become increasingly blue, to the point that many people aren't aware of how conservative Vermont was in the past (and remains to some extent in the present). Because of the way he has served Vermont in office Sanders became an extremely popular political figure in Vermont and has remained so during his entire career in office.

Here's a brief account of Sanders' record as mayor from Steven Sofier's 1991 book about Sanders mayorship The Socialist Mayor.

U.S. News and World Report recently recognized Sanders as "one of the nation's 20 top mayors", acknowledging his role in "Lpreserving affordable housing, keeping property tax increases to a minimum and -- in a state where cities enjoy little autonomy -- sparking a statewide push for home rule." In 1988, the U.S. Conference of Mayors named Burlington (and one other city) as the most livable city in the country with a population under 100,000.

If nothing else, Sanders has shown that socialists can govern at least as well, if not better, than Democrats and Republicans...


Can you identify any socialist who has done a poor job after being elected mayor? If so, I'd appreciate seeing some details about this. If not, then it's likely that your opinion is based more on your dislike of socialism than on historical evidence.
 
Beats me, I suppose it depends on the city and I'm not familiar with Buffalo. Some mayors have more or less authority to make things happen, some are restrained by city councils and the like.

It's a pretty big city. Apparently running podunk South Bend was enough experience for Pete Buttigieg to be a serious presidential candidate, and Buffalo is much larger than that.

I imagine there's some power in the bully pulpit, even if that's a soft power. Wonder what a socialist, abolitionist mayor might say or do next time the Buffalo goon squad decides to give a septuagenarian a traumatic brain injury during a protest.
It definitely depends on the City. In the US a mayor can be anything from just the person with the gavel at council meetings to the person that's is basically making all of the decisions.

Unfortunately, in the US socialist is about as useful a label as fascist. On the right it basically means communist and on the left it means anything from Nordic style mixed economies to Marxism.
 
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Can you identify any socialist who has done a poor job after being elected mayor? If so, I'd appreciate seeing some details about this.


That's unfair! You can't expect people to base their ideas on facts!
 
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Can you identify any socialist who has done a poor job after being elected mayor? If so, I'd appreciate seeing some details about this. If not, then it's likely that your opinion is based more on your dislike of socialism than on historical evidence.

It's not dislike of socialism. It's dislike of the absurd straw version of socialism where private businesses are punished for daring to make money.
 
Any idea what the Mayor of Buffalo actually does? Usually the Mayor is an executive role, not a legislative role. Regardless of her beliefs or ideology, she may actually be pretty limited in what she can do about it. It could be that being a socialist and an abolitionist is pretty much irrelevant to her duties as mayor.

The mayor's office in Buffalo is mostly executive and has to listen to the Common Council, which has it's own separate president.

The mayor's office has been given quite a lot of leeway in how and with who a lot of the legislative orders are done. This is where having a mayor who is adversarially skeptical of private businesses could do very well, with businesses 'getting the better' of Buffalo a lot. Someone who is actually interested in investigating and enforcing deals might fix a lot of that.

Which is also what could happen with the Buffalo prisons and police. Someone interested in investigating and doing something about it will be worlds better than the current attitude of absurd denialism.

Brown is considering a write-in campaign, which is kind of funny because he didn't run a primary campaign, so he's just going to start a general election write in buildup now? Local GOP deplorable Paladino wants him to, which should tell you what you need to know about Brown's attitude towards governing philosophy; he wants power. Not for anything besides grifting, just to have.

Sorry, the only thing I know about buffalo is that the American one is actually a bison.

Oh, and this. :blush:

It isn't actually known exactly why it became known as 'Buffalo', but my favorite idea is that it comes from a bastardization of what the French explorers called 'Beau Fleuve', referencing the great rivers.
 
It's not dislike of socialism. It's dislike of the absurd straw version of socialism where private businesses are punished for daring to make money.

On the other hand, this could be a great social experiment for the entire country to watch. I wonder if the new mayor will prioritize elimination of police and jails?
 
On the other hand, this could be a great social experiment for the entire country to watch. I wonder if the new mayor will prioritize elimination of police and jails?

Perhaps if you spent less time writing hyperbolic and misleading 'fake news' posts and more time actually finding out what Eric Adams plans for the police are.....

Most people don’t realize that a large number of our cops don’t actually spend their workdays fighting crime. Many, for instance, do clerical work, move barricades, and drive trucks. And even police officers tasked with fighting crime spend huge amounts of their time on court appearances and paperwork, not out in the street or conducting
investigations or preventing crime. We can save $500 million annually through strategic civilianization of NYPD units where the existing ratio of police officers to civilian workers is simply not necessary, and by lowering overtime costs using technology to limit time wasted on paperwork and court appearances. That money can then go right into programs proven to reduce crime, such as our Crisis Management System.
The number one driver of crime spikes in the city right now—and the perception that we are moving backward on crime—is gun violence. We must reverse this troubling trend, fast.
To do that, we will:

• Reinvent the anti-crime unit as an anti-gun unit, hiring officers with the skills and temperament for this kind of intense, on the ground police work, targeting known
shooters with precision policing tactics.
• Fully fund the City’s Crisis Management System and allow for more centralized coordination between violence interrupters and different organizations throughout the city, including our hospitals.
• Convene citywide clergy leaders and law enforcement officials to partner on public safety initiatives in hotspots.
• Form a Tri-State commission to formulate policy proposals that would stop the flow of illegal handguns into our communities.
• Prevent guns from coming in through our bus and train stations with spot checks like the ones we use in subway stations

Nowhere does he mention reducing or eliminating jails. The steps above are common sense and logical. The usual COMMIESOCIALISTLIBERALS! fearmongering isn't going to work here.
 
Perhaps if you spent less time writing hyperbolic and misleading 'fake news' posts and more time actually finding out what Eric Adams plans for the police are.....




Nowhere does he mention reducing or eliminating jails. The steps above are common sense and logical. The usual COMMIESOCIALISTLIBERALS! fearmongering isn't going to work here.

Perhaps you should go and look at the crime stats under Bill DeBlasio after he defunded his police force in NYC.

https://www1.nyc.gov/site/nypd/news...6% increase in grand larceny (2,848 v. 2,101).
 
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