Useful Idiots of the Day

[Mephisto]

"Oppresed by the evil Jews" certainly seems like an anti-semitic sentiment to me...

And I'd be willing to bet that Skeptic has used the words evil Jews more than anyone else.

 

[Melendwyr]

The worst thing about it all is we're apparently doomed to repeat history.

I can think of a way to break the cycle.

 

[Mycroft]

That does not imply your statement, Mycroft.

This sort of thing is why you're one of the Usual Suspects.

We have Kate Burton specifically telling the press that she won’t say anything bad about her captors, and that she plans to continue working along side of Palestinians to improve their “external image.” If you honestly feel that doesn’t equal ” I won't say anything bad about you (terrorists), it's unfair to your image” then I’m more than okay with you’re labeling me as “Usual Suspects” or anything else you might think of that distinguishes you from me.

 

[zenith-nadir]

Actually, it's everyone who punishes the many for the actions of the few that are guilty... including the group of Usual Suspects of which you are a member, zenith, certain members of the Israeli state, and certain members of the Palestinian terrorist groups.

Over the course of the past 40 years Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Fatah's Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine - General Command, the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine, Black September, Tanzim, Force 17, Ahmed Abu Reish Brigades, the Popular Resistance Committees and the Abu Nidal Organization have terrorized Israel and blown up or murdered humans from just about every nationality on earth. There is even a current movie about one such terror act, it's called "Munich".

Additionally 65% of Palestinians polled by FAFO this month - see Survey pdf table 22.2(2) page 54 - supported Al Queda terrorism in the US and Europe.

Somehow in your world Melendwyr that is "the actions of the few".

 

[Mycroft]

"Oppresed by the evil Jews" certainly seems like an anti-semitic sentiment to me...

It also reads like hyperbole, which is sometimes used to make a point with a touch of humor, but not necessarily meant to be taken literally.

Also, although it may seem like splitting hairs, I would like to point out that a lack of condemnation does not equal actual support.

Good point.

 

[RandFan]

I can think of a way to break the cycle.

Good point. The Israelis can stop retaliating. This won't stop the Palestinians from killing the Israelis but it will make us all feel better and we can stop calling it a cycle.

Denying Israel’s Right to Exist and Anticipating its Destruction

The foundation of Palestinian ideology is the denial of Israel’s right to exist. Jewish history is rewritten and Jewish historical presence in the Land of Israel in erased. All the agreements with Israel are said to be temporary. Palestinian TV regularly broadcasts, songs, dance, sermons and video clips encouraging Arabs to anticipate, visualize, and hope for Israel’s destruction and replacement by a future “Palestine” from the river to the sea. The following are a few examples among many:

 

[webfusion]

Red white and blue

Oh come on! If it had been a blue keffiya it wouldn't make the same political statement, agree?

Absolutely agree. It would also be a different statement if she wore a red one. Those are donned by bedouin men (primarily of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan). The White ones are used in the Kingdoms elsewhere (House of Saud being a prime example).

NOTE to perforatu, yes, it was a joke, kinda. However there is something I would like to understand: I amended your name out of my post, within thirty seconds, of posting at 10:49 --- I realized you were not making the same type of comments as melendywr and went into the post literally as soon as it appeared, changing it to withdraw your name. In fact, I did it so fast, there was not even a standard vBulletin notice in the post of it being edited! You can see this for yourself, by glancing at the post in question -- #19 How come in a posting of yours at 11:02, you quote back words that do not appear on the forum anymore? You had no real reason, by that time, to question me about mentioning your name in connection with melendeyr's --- because at 11:02, that wasn't what my posting said.

As for the substance of the other issue, regarding the wearing of the Kaffiya, I misunderstood your "I was under the impression" to mean -- "I disagree with your assessment of the keffiya being a political statement on the part of Kate Burton, I think it is just a common thing for everyone to go around wearing them, nothing that should catch the attention of the casual viewer of the photo, since I believe that a keffiya is a normal part of the Palestine garb, so what's the big deal, webfusion?" ---
I'm glad to have been able to bring the issue of the Kaffiya into perspective. You're welcome.
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Another Useful Idiot of the Day:
A Fatah supporter celebrating the 41st anniversary of the party's foundation in Gaza Saturday. (AP photo)

Now, look at the yellow baseball hat he's wearing on top of the Keffiya, I don't get that at all. What's the deal? Does anyone have an explanation of this? Mycroft? Help me out here...

 

[Melendwyr]

Additionally 65% of Palestinians polled by FAFO this month - see Survey pdf table 22.2(2) page 54 - supported Al Queda terrorism in the US and Europe.

Somehow in your world Melendwyr that is "the actions of the few".

So you DO blame the Palestinian people as a whole!

"Aha! A double negative!"
"A double negative? You mean you have photographs?"
"The double negative has lead to proof positive! I'm afraid you gave yourself away."

 

[Perforatu]

It also reads like hyperbole, which is sometimes used to make a point with a touch of humor, but not necessarily meant to be taken literally.

Re-reading Skeptic's post, I see what you mean now. I didn't pick up on that. I admit I sometimes have trouble gauging whether someone here is using exaggeration to get apoint across or being dead serious.

 

[Mycroft]

Now, look at the yellow baseball hat he's wearing on top of the Keffiya, I don't get that at all. What's the deal? Does anyone have an explanation of this? Mycroft? Help me out here...

The only explanation I can think of is the baseball cap is a poor man's egal.

 

[RandFan]

Re-reading Skeptic's post, I see what you mean now. I didn't pick up on that. I admit I sometimes have trouble gauging whether someone here is using exaggeration to get apoint across or being dead serious.

I'm in the same boat.

 

[Mephisto]

Re-reading Skeptic's post, I see what you mean now. I didn't pick up on that. I admit I sometimes have trouble gauging whether someone here is using exaggeration to get apoint across or being dead serious.

I have the same problem, "Does he really think that Cindy Sheehan wants to have sex with the corpse of her son, or is he just being snide?"

 

[zenith-nadir]

Additionally 65% of Palestinians polled by FAFO this month - see Survey pdf table 22.2(2) page 54 - supported Al Queda terrorism in the US and Europe.

(emphasis mine)

So you DO blame the Palestinian people as a whole!

I said "65% of Palestinians polled" and you repeat the strawman - yet again - to claim I really said "the Palestinian people as a whole".

You are attacking a position Melendwyr —the "straw man"— which is not held by me.....have a great New Year.

 

[Perforatu]

How come in a posting of yours at 11:02, you quote back words that do not appear on the forum anymore? You had no real reason, by that time, to question me about mentioning your name in connection with melendeyr's --- because at 11:02, that wasn't what my posting said.

Sorry, I didn't notice you had changed the post. I have this annoying habit of immediately responding to a post, then hitting "preview" and making lots of small edits for tone and clarity. By the time I was done you had already changed your post, but I probably glanced over it under the impression that it was still the same.

 

[Melendwyr]

Clearly, Perforatu is psychic. There's no other possible explanation.

Dressing oneself up in raggedly old clothes, and then proclaiming that everyone who attacks you is just beating a dead strawman, is not a valid tactic. Try again, zenith.

 

[Skeptic]

Anyone who does not condemn the Palestinians as inhuman monsters and recognize the terrible injustices perpetuated upon the Israeli people is necessarily antisemitic. At least, in zenith's world.

Earth to Melendwyr:

It is not that she does not recognize all Palestinians are inhuman monsters. It is that she does not recognize the armed Palestinian terrorists who kidnapped her had done anything wrong at all.

Someone who cannot bring themselves to admit that Palestinian terrorists who kidnapped, and threathened to kill, them had done anything wrong at all, obviously think nothing the Palestinians can do is wrong in any way.

Since this is the case, it follows that she also thinks that the Palestinians killing and kidnapping israelies is not wrong. And she gave the usual excuse, namely, "the occupation". In other words, "kill the jews, honey--the occupation made you do it, I know."

For the person who talked about the "Stockholm syndrome": you'd have a point if this was an isolated incident, a lone nut. But experience shows her views are not at all extrordinary for the so-called "peace activists".

The "activist" movement had long ago succombed to the Stockholm Syndrome en masse; in practice an entry requirement for this "peace" movement is virulent hatered of "zionists" (that is, the jews) and unreserved support to any act of Palestinian terrorism, usually by citing the mantra "occupation! occupation!". Their unofficial uniform--the checkered Kafiyyeh made famous for being worn by Arafat, the greatest jew-killer since Hitler--is also part of this unwavering support of genocide. (Together with Che Guevara beters and Mao caps, of course. What is it with "peace activists" and mass murderers' headwear?)

Since it is unlikely that all these people had invididually succomed to the actual mental illness known as the "Stockholm Syndrome", the most likely explanation of their behavior is the same as those who were communist sympathizers before that: namely, abyssimal ignorance of the real world coupled with unshakable arrogant belief in their own moral superiority.

in other words, they are idiots.

 

[Melendwyr]

I have the same problem, "Does he really think that Cindy Sheehan wants to have sex with the corpse of her son, or is he just being snide?"

Isn't it offensive either way?

 

[RandFan]

Isn't it offensive either way?

Well of course it is. So is the humor of Richard Pryor, Robin Williams the late great Lenny Bruce, George Carlin, etc, etc. It would be best if you avoid the Friars Club.

Humor being subjective, one may or may not find something humorous because it is either too offensive or not offensive enough.

 

[Melendwyr]

It is not that she does not recognize all Palestinians are inhuman monsters. It is that she does not recognize the armed Palestinian terrorists who kidnapped her had done anything wrong at all.

Perhaps you are unfamiliar with a particular English phrased used in the article. It draws more on the concept of chivalry than modern sensibilities.

Someone who cannot bring themselves to admit that Palestinian terrorists who kidnapped, and threathened to kill

Where did they threaten to kill them?

abyssimal ignorance of the real world coupled with unshakable arrogant belief in their own moral superiority.

Thank you, Usual Suspect. That pretty much sums it up.

in other words, they are idiots.

Yes, that's a less elegant description of your clique, but it'll do.

 

[Skeptic]

Where did they threaten to kill them?

As usual when one takes hostages: in their list of demands. In this case, the demand is that the English will pressure israel to stop their bombing of Gaza or else they'll kill the hostages.

But don't you let reality get in the way of your moral superiority. After all, you never have before...