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Cont: Rioters storm and occupy the US Capitol - part 2

Soo...a bunch of local chapters, like when other serious street gangs collapse? Or will the muppets realize the problem and stay home?

They'll eventually collapse one way or the other. They are declared a terrorist organization by Canada and perhaps will here too (and even if they don't, the FBI has watching them closely) They are easily infiltrated and surveilled. There is rampant infighting and turncoats. I'm no fan of antifa but at least they have operational security and other skills these clowns will never have.
 
They'll eventually collapse one way or the other. They are declared a terrorist organization by Canada and perhaps will here too (and even if they don't, the FBI has watching them closely) They are easily infiltrated and surveilled. There is rampant infighting and turncoats. I'm no fan of antifa but at least they have operational security and other skills these clowns will never have.

They were also collectively smart enough to stay the **** away from the Capitol on 1/6.. and while some of the Qnut/treasonous mooks in Congress have tried desperately to push the narrative that Antifa was behind the riots, ALL of the evidence, without exception, has shown that it was Trump supporters and white nationalist/supremacist groups like the Oath Keepers, the Proud Boys and the 3%ers who were behind all of it.

The FBI has charged over 500 people... every single one of them a Trump supporter.
 
They were also collectively smart enough to stay the **** away from the Capitol on 1/6.. and while some of the Qnut/treasonous mooks in Congress have tried desperately to push the narrative that Antifa was behind the riots, ALL of the evidence, without exception, has shown that it was Trump supporters and white nationalist/supremacist groups like the Oath Keepers, the Proud Boys and the 3%ers who were behind all of it.

The FBI has charged over 500 people... every single one of them a Trump supporter.

Did you read my post on the demographics of the rioters? A study was conducted. There were some interesting takeaways, like that most of them came from rconservatives living in Blue States and Blue cities and very few of them were from Red States and few of them were Oath Keepers and Proud Boys. I mean, they were there too of course but the majority of them were not. And obviously, there was no antifa faction. You might be confusing me with somebody else, I've never insinuated in any way an antifa faction present at the J6 riot.
 
Scott Perry (Pa.)
- objected to the Electoral College count on 1/6
- signed Amicus brief in Texas lawsuit to overturn the election in four states

Just to single this one out as an example - Scott Perry's got a bunch more on his record, especially since the time when he participated in the illegal storming of a closed door session related to the first impeachment and worked to break whistleblower law on top of that. Of more direct note, he was also an active participant in working to help connect Trump with people to try to overturn the election results via the legal system. In that case, this actions were likely not illegal, though, but they were thoroughly unethical.
 
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Did you read my post on the demographics of the rioters? A study was conducted. There were some interesting takeaways, like that most of them came from rconservatives living in Blue States and Blue cities and very few of them were from Red States and few of them were Oath Keepers and Proud Boys. I mean, they were there too of course but the majority of them were not. And obviously, there was no antifa faction. You might be confusing me with somebody else, I've never insinuated in any way an antifa faction present at the J6 riot.

Thanks, but I think you misunderstood. I was just adding to the part of your post that I highlighted.
 
WSJ article detailing the fallout of the J6 indictments on the Oathkeeper and Proud Boy operations. Lots of emphasis on what a grift these things are.

Rhodes, the leader of the Oathkeeper, especially seems to have a habit of pilfering from the supposed non-profit. In addition to whatever role he played in the J6 attack, he seems awfully ripe for prosecution related to the blatant stealing from the organization.

He spent Oath Keepers money on a deposit on a house in Montana, on haircuts and liquor, on storable food reserves and on personal riot gear, according to some current and former members and some of Mr. Rhodes’s family members. They also said he had a habit of buying expensive military equipment and leaving it in caches in people’s homes around the country for future “operations.”

Bank records reviewed by the Journal show thousands of dollars of Oath Keepers funds spent on goods and services near the town in Montana where Mr. Rhodes lived until recently, including at an auto-repair shop ($12,424), pet store ($83.50), dentist ($504), bar ($886), gun store ($9,974) and a lingerie and adult-goods shop called Alley Katz Nighties N Naughties ($229). The group also spent money on phone games ($275) and at an online perfume shop Fragrancenet.com ($256).

“He used that thing as a piggy bank,” said Ed Wilson, an Army veteran who managed information technology for the Oath Keepers in 2015 and said he alerted the board about spending. Mr. Wilson said he quit when he saw nothing was changing.


Deplatforming seems to be hurting Tarrio and the Proud Boys financially. They're having trouble filling orders for their fashy merchandise because reputable credit card vendors want nothing to do with them.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/proud-boys-and-oath-keepers-forceful-on-jan-6-privately-are-in-turmoil-11623859785

Frankly, I'm absolutely shocked that these fascist groups are full of self-promoting grifters. :rolleyes:
 
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Some legal analysis on what sentencing we might expect for some of the lesser J6 defendants that plead out.

Today, Anna Morgan-Lloyd, a 49-year old grandmother from Indiana was supposed to be sentenced to probation on her misdemeanor trespass charges relating to January 6. That has been postponed on account of the Juneteenth holiday. But I suspect the courts and the government hope that other sentencing hearings — including that of Jessica and Joshua Bustle, who pled guilty on Monday — will take place after Morgan-Lloyd, so as to make hers the model of how to earn a (three-year) probation sentence for participating in the riot.

https://www.emptywheel.net/2021/06/18/the-model-maga-tourist-anna-morgan-lloyd-and-evidence-collection/

The prosecutors list several factors in their decision making on how to sentence these people. The first 4 are what you would expect, they focus on collaboration with others/extremist groups, vandalism, violence towards police, and theft of government property.

The fifth is more interesting:

Fifth, based on the Government’s investigation, it appears that the Defendant remained in a limited part of the Capitol building for a limited period of time – i.e., in one hallway for a little over ten minutes. The Government is not aware of any evidence that the Defendant entered any rooms or offices in the Capitol, the Capitol Rotunda, or the Senate or House Chamber.

Seems those that just did a quick looksie might be getting lighter treatment than those that went further into more sensitive areas. An interesting way to sort out the bulk of "tourists" into lesser and greater offenders.

Looks like some of the lesser CHUDs might come out of this with lengthy probation sentences if they play their cards right.
 
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Did you read my post on the demographics of the rioters? A study was conducted. There were some interesting takeaways, like that most of them came from rconservatives living in Blue States and Blue cities and very few of them were from Red States and few of them were Oath Keepers and Proud Boys. I mean, they were there too of course but the majority of them were not. And obviously, there was no antifa faction. You might be confusing me with somebody else, I've never insinuated in any way an antifa faction present at the J6 riot.

Seems like a group of privileged people attacking their own country out of fear that they were losing their privileged status.
 
Seems like a group of privileged people attacking their own country out of fear that they were losing their privileged status.

Much has been written about the vital role middle class types play in fascist uprisings. They are simultaneously resentful of the wealthier classes that exclude them while terrified of agitation among poor and marginalized classes that might undermine their wealth and comfort. There's a long history of middle class types preferring reactionary politics and clinging to strongmen during periods of crisis.

Nobody should be surprised that this attack on the Capitol was made up of cops, small business tyrants, and comfortable, aging middle class types.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/22/opinion/middle-class-liberalism-populism.html
 
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https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/18/politics/ashli-babbitt-capitol-hill-riot-death-invs/index.html

This was at the top of the CNN splash page this morning. I was glad to see her body isn't defiling a veteran's cemetery. Her kind shouldn't be buried with Americans. I was also glad to see that the Capitol Police attorney said that the officers actions in shooting her stopped the enemy from entering the Speaker's Lobby while it was being evacuated and was nothing short of "heroic". I couldn't agree more.
 
https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/18/politics/ashli-babbitt-capitol-hill-riot-death-invs/index.html

This was at the top of the CNN splash page this morning. I was glad to see her body isn't defiling a veteran's cemetery. Her kind shouldn't be buried with Americans. I was also glad to see that the Capitol Police attorney said that the officers actions in shooting her stopped the enemy from entering the Speaker's Lobby while it was being evacuated and was nothing short of "heroic". I couldn't agree more.

Surely there must have been a nearby dumpster.
 
Surely there must have been a nearby dumpster.

Her family is upset that all people talk about is what she was doing when she died. She betrayed the country she swore to defend and attempted to steal a presidential election. Every else about her is like asking Mrs. Lincoln how the play was.
 
The CNN article brings up that other cops on the scene didn't shoot.

I wonder if there's animosity among the Capitol Police. Some were fighting tooth and nail to stop the invaders, while others were doing very little at all , or even chumming around with them in some cases.

IIRC from the video, there's a couple of cops just kinda standing around not doing much in the chaos that eventually leads to Babbitt taking the dirt nap. Had any of these cops even tried to control the crowd with less-lethal weapons, Babbitt might be a bit bruised or peppersprayed rather than shot dead.

If I were a cop that was getting the snot kicked out of me or had to shoot someone, I think I'd be pretty pissed off by the laissez-faire attitude on display. I haven't really seen much public anger around this, but I suppose the blue line trumps all.
 
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Some legal analysis on what sentencing we might expect for some of the lesser J6 defendants that plead out.

Today, Anna Morgan-Lloyd, a 49-year old grandmother from Indiana was supposed to be sentenced to probation on her misdemeanor trespass charges relating to January 6.

https://www.emptywheel.net/2021/06/18/the-model-maga-tourist-anna-morgan-lloyd-and-evidence-collection/

The prosecutors list several factors in their decision making on how to sentence these people. The first 4 are what you would expect, they focus on collaboration with others/extremist groups, vandalism, violence towards police, and theft of government property.

The fifth is more interesting:

Seems those that just did a quick looksie might be getting lighter treatment than those that went further into more sensitive areas.
The article also mentions ways that she actually showed some remorse for her actions... she cooperated fully right from the start (giving access to her phone). And she has since attempted to challenge a relative's holocaust denial, reviewed several movies with racism as a theme, etc. (Granted, some of that could just be a smokescreen. But it does go further than what many of the other Jan6 terrorists have done in their defense.)

Overall, I probably think she should have spent some time in jail.
 
The CNN article brings up that other cops on the scene didn't shoot.

I wonder if there's animosity among the Capitol Police. Some were fighting tooth and nail to stop the invaders, while others were doing very little at all , or even chumming around with them in some cases.

IIRC from the video, there's a couple of cops just kinda standing around not doing much in the chaos that eventually leads to Babbitt taking the dirt nap. Had any of these cops even tried to control the crowd with less-lethal weapons, Babbitt might be a bit bruised or peppersprayed rather than shot dead.

If I were a cop that was getting the snot kicked out of me or had to shoot someone, I think I'd be pretty pissed off by the laissez-faire attitude on display. I haven't really seen much public anger around this, but I suppose the blue line trumps all.

I don't understand why there weren't more shots fired. Attack and cop with a baton or flagpole and you should expect to get shot. In the new video that came out yesterday showing a guy with a metal rod attacking police, it looked like a scenario I remember on the simulator where you were supposed to shoot the person.
 
I don't understand why there weren't more shots fired. Attack and cop with a baton or flagpole and you should expect to get shot. In the new video that came out yesterday showing a guy with a metal rod attacking police, it looked like a scenario I remember on the simulator where you were supposed to shoot the person.
Was there someone in position to shoot?
 
The attackers were white so the police acted with discretion. :rolleyes:

Antifa can't knock over a trashcan without getting a volley of rubber bullets and tear gas grenades shot at their heads but these CHUDs can beat a few cops half to death and still get the kid glove treatment.
 

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