Lafayette Park Update

So bottom line is the Park Police did not remove demonstrators from the park, but other Federal police did?
 
ponderingturtle said:
They were either under the control of someone or out of control. It is simple deduction. Now I get that cops don't really need a reason to attack a peaceful protest as they can always invent something, but it seems rather suspicious at the timing of the whole photo op.
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No, it is not a simple deduction.
As I said "Someone or something caused the SS to deploy early. We just don't know who or what that was."

What caused them to deploy early could have been something like a misunderstanding of the plan or the timing. Or the SS Lt. that apologized for going in early could have misunderstood a radio communication he overheard, etc. There are many possibilities other than BARR ordering it. Which is all I've ever said. But one thing is clear: your bias against the police is certainly showing and it no doubts colors how you want and do see it.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Nope. The Mango Moron was top of the food chain and in charge at the scene because he was on the scene. He said he wanted "all available assets" to flood the zone - clear the space. That is a direct order from the top to the field commanders if you like. Therefore he is responsible.
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By your standard, Mayor Bowser is to blame for MPD tear gassing peaceful protesters, correct?
 
Norman Alexander said:
C'mon, Bogative. Explain who was responsible for this. Pictures of police assaulting foreign journalists included. Who ordered them to do this?
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No, no, no - you don't understand.

The cops were just following orders, and the person who ordered it didn't tell them exactly how to carry out the order so nobody is to blame (except for those commie protesters - they brought it on themselves!).

And of course 'responsible' just means the responsibility of their office, not that they actually ordered it or pushed others to do the deed - which they did, but that doesn't count because they didn't personally go down there and direct the violence.

It's an argument that would make any Nazi proud.
 
Roger Ramjets said:
No, no, no - you don't understand.

The cops were just following orders, and the person who ordered it didn't tell them exactly how to carry out the order so nobody is to blame (except for those commie protesters - they brought it on themselves!).

And of course 'responsible' just means the responsibility of their office, not that they actually ordered it or pushed others to do the deed - which they did, but that doesn't count because they didn't personally go down there and direct the violence.

It's an argument that would make any Nazi proud.
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When the **** they create hits the fan, those responsible are immediately not responsible.

It's like this, isn't it.

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Norman Alexander said:
Nope, not going down that rabbit hole. This is about Lafayette Park and Trump. Stick to the subject. Answer the questions.
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Did you forget or did you not read the part about where the Washington DC police, under the control of Mayor Bowser, fired tear gas at Lafayette Park?

The Washington DC police who were not under federal control and did not take orders from Trump. Is Bowser now as bad as Hitler?
 
Norman Alexander said:
When the **** they create hits the fan, those responsible are immediately not responsible.

It's like this, isn't it.

[IMGw=300]https://i.pinimg.com/originals/57/2c/39/572c39cab5e080e8edda560fdb4ba946.jpg[/IMGw]
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And here's the thing: when a pathological liar and depraved man like Barr shows up, and then minute later things go south in a way he could and would easily cause...sorry, he becomes suspect 1. I don't need "beyond reasonable doubt" for "public opinion", and frankly, *he* needs to come up with something solid for an alibi.
 
Mumbles said:
And here's the thing: when a pathological liar and depraved man like Barr shows up, and then minute later things go south in a way he could and would easily cause...sorry, he becomes suspect 1. I don't need "beyond reasonable doubt" for "public opinion", and frankly, *he* needs to come up with something solid for an alibi.
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I agree that Barr is a liar, but calling him a "pathological" liar and "depraved man" is exposing your extreme bias yet again and reinforcing my point that you have an inability to look at this without those bias glasses.
 
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Bogative said:
Did you forget or did you not read the part about where the Washington DC police, under the control of Mayor Bowser, fired tear gas at Lafayette Park?

The Washington DC police who were not under federal control and did not take orders from Trump. Is Bowser now as bad as Hitler?
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Horse-****. The police involved were US Park Police, not DC police. Bowser is not in command of the USPP. They are a federal body. Get your facts straight.
 
Norman Alexander said:
C'mon, Bogative. Explain who was responsible for this. Pictures of police assaulting foreign journalists included. Who ordered them to do this?
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Who is responsible? The two officers who did it.

As far as I'm aware no one ordered them to assault two journalists.

If you mean who ordered them to clear out Lafayette Park, it's in the report. You should read it.
 
I don't feel I can dedicate enough time to go through the report and rebuttals, but is the timeline being argued a 10 minute difference or am I following this incorrectly? There definitely seems like a lot of push back or deliberate contention with this report with no countering facts. I haven't even seen hearsay of what people are proposing, nor unidentified sources backing the positions some here are taking.

If mainstream news isn't countering this report with unidentified sources that back the original framing of this story, that is good enough as proof positive the report is more accurate to me. Perhaps additional reporting will come out that goes along that vein, but for now it seems like ignoring the report completely is the main way things are going. That does not bode well for the legitimacy of the original reporting.
 
Norman Alexander said:
I read it. It's fiction. Don't be deliberately dense, it doesn't become you.

Now you read this: https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ng-questions-about-clearing-lafayette-square/
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I read it. It's fiction masquerading as nonfiction. Maybe Philip Bump will come back someday with some actual evidence – rather than jaqing off – that the commander of the USPP is lying about his decision as to when he decided to start clearing the park. Until then, it's just more TDS conspiracy nonsense.
 
hey, Trump was just President, i.e. bringing the coffee.
Who in their right mind would think that the Head of the Executive should take responsibility for anything that happens in his chain of command?
The buck stops with anyone but Trump.
 
Bogative said:
I read it. It's fiction masquerading as nonfiction. Maybe Philip Bump will come back someday with some actual evidence – rather than jaqing off – that the commander of the USPP is lying about his decision as to when he decided to start clearing the park. Until then, it's just more TDS conspiracy nonsense.
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Aha. That's your angle.

Here's the thing. Disaster Don is long gone, now waddling about his squalid tinsel pile in Florida and disgracing himself on the golf course, no doubt. The only "TDS" is with those who still cling to this shambling wreck in the vain and pathetic hope he might be resurrected. The rest of the world just laughs at this. Seriously, we do.

Meanwhile, somebody has written some ill-researched and ill-conceived report that does not take into account known and recorded facts about a certain event this ****-stain on America was responsible for 12 months ago. It is clearly somebody's desperate attempt to avoid getting thrown under the bus of justice. As many here have noted, certain ex-administration members are trying to build a case of "Not me, your honour! I was never there! I'm pure as the driven snow!" in regards to this fiasco. They would have been better just shutting up and riding the wave...out of town forever, back to cut-throat corporate USA or wherever they came from.

So if you too are clinging to this report as some sort of exoneration then more fool you.
 
Stacyhs said:
I agree that Barr is a liar, but calling him a "pathological" liar and "depraved man" is exposing your extreme bias yet again and reinforcing my point that you have an inability to look at this without those bias glasses.
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Ah yes he was clearly there to deescalate the situation.

It is simple who are you going to believe the official report or your lying eyes? Clearly the former.
 
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Bogative said:
Who is responsible? The two officers who did it.

As far as I'm aware no one ordered them to assault two journalists.

If you mean who ordered them to clear out Lafayette Park, it's in the report. You should read it.
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Just out of curiosity, what is your opinion about US Authorities using violence and tear gas to clear out mostly peaceful protesters exercising their 1st Amendment Rights, beating a number of those protesters as well as members of the press, all just to build a fence?
 
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